Re: Liability & responsibility of electrician?

There goes the KeithStain retard again, thinking that he manipulates people with his wee wittle bwain.

Face it, asswipe. You are wrong... again.

Better yet, why don't you post what jurisdictions (states) in the USA do not regulate the electrical trade. I guarantee that your list would be smaller than mine, if your's exists at all.

Very doubtful, actually. Such regulation is frequently at the town, city, or county level, not state. While a majority of the population of the U.S. is urban, the huge majority of _counties_ are rural. Given that many rural areas and small towns don't bother with such trivia as electrical codes, I suspect that the jurisdictions that don't have codes far outnumber those that do.

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I worked for two years as an unlicensed electrician in upstate New Hampshire during my college years. I don't believe any of the workers in that shop had, or were required to have, a license or formal any training or testing. The bulk of the work the second year was on construction of a new multi-story hotel, biggest in the area at that time, which google maps leads me to believe has not burned down yet.

I worked for two years as an unlicensed electrician in upstate New Hampshire during my college years. I don't believe any of the workers in that shop had, or were required to have, a license or formal any training or testing. The bulk of the work the second year was on construction of a new multi-story hotel, biggest in the area at that time, which google maps leads me to believe has not burned down yet.

The New Hampshire State Statues:

TITLE XXX OCCUPATIONS AND PROFESSIONS CHAPTER 319-C ELECTRICIANS Section 319-C:15 319-C:15 Violations; Penalty. - I. A person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, if a natural person, or a felony if any another person, who: (a) Makes electrical installations without being licensed under this chapter; (b) Being in the electrical business, employs an unlicensed person, other than an apprentice, to make electrical installations, unless the person or installation is exempted under this chapter; (c) Wrongfully or fraudulently procures a license under this chapter; (d) Violates any provision of this chapter or rule adopted by the board; or (e) Wrongfully or fraudulently represents himself as a person licensed under this chapter. II. Nothing in this chapter shall prevent a homeowner from making electrical installations in or about a single family residence owned and occupied by him or her or to be occupied by him or her as his or her bona fide personal abode. Source. 1975, 485:1. 1981, 356:16. 1994, 238:9, eff. Jan. 1, 1995. 2004,

People? NO, just you, DimBulb.

No, you keep getting that wrong, too. *You're* always wrong, AlwaysWrong.

It's a little tough to Google laws that don't exist, dummy.

Yeah...that's okay, I already knew you couldn't back up your remark.

You're as stupid as DimBulb.

Now there's a well thought out response filled with due diligents and lots of hard work. I'm still waiting for you to back up your remarks. I'll accept further personal attacks on your part as your acknowledgment that you spoke without first knowing the facts.

Yeah, it's hard not to laugh at you.

I don't have to. It's clear that you can't back up your assertion that *every* jurisdiction requires licensed electricians, which is clearly laughable.

I've already posted several links within this thread to show that licenses are required by law. To date you have posted none, nada, zilch, zip to show any one place in this country where a license is not required to do electrical work.

Required by law in the places whose laws you have posted. This is not proof that all, or even any, other jurisdictions have the same laws.

Think about that one a minute, willya? If there is no law, how is he going to post it?

I have never doubted that licensing is *sometimes* required. You have shown a couple of examples where it is. That is all.

Uh, on private property where the owner wants to do his own work, or have someone do it? I am having several things installed right now as we speak. Ceiling fans on the patio, three motion lights, four multigang outlets. All in conduit, and all would pass an inspection, and the local small town inspector even is a friend of mine who dines with us about six times a year, and sees all the new work. The work is being done by a good friend of the inspector, although not a licensed electrician. As a backup, I do have a 37 year union electrician who does look at things (or does the work when he comes to visit), and he'll be here this weekend to go bass fishing, and will be able to look at everything, as it is not covered and finished yet.

Upon sale, copies of permits may be requested by anal buyers, but few can be provided. Unless the job was just absolutely sloppy, most work is passed as is. Or the house inspector team makes note of it. There is a lot of sloppy work out there that is bought and sold in the real estate market every day. And all was done without licenses.

You seem to think that there is some sort of electrical police that enforce the rules to a T in every situation.

Which planet are you from?

Steve

Getting away with something is not the same as claiming it's legal to do. If you had a friend that was a police officer and he saw you blow through a red light and didn't give you a ticket, according to you it wasn't illegal. So just because your local inspector friend is looking the other way, doesn't mean what you're doing is legal. Yes, a homeowner can do the work in his own single family home, I've already stated that. But at the same time, it is only legal for him to do so if a homeowners permit is pulled and it is not legal for anyone but the homeowner to do the work.

Tell me which state we're talking about here and I'll get you the appropriate state statue that shows that your actions are illegal.

You seem to believe that the law everywhere is the same as the law where you live. I suspect you're mistaken.

OK, here you go: find me the statute that says a homeowner residing in an unincorporated area of Green Township, Madison County, Indiana USA is required to pull a permit to do electrical work on his own home.

Find me the statute that says *anyone* needs a permit or a license to perform electrical work in *any* residence in the town of Noblesville, Hamilton County, Indiana USA.

Hey, Rich! I built a commercial UHF TV station in Destin Florida in the early '90s. (WMXR-TV, Ch. 58) I had a moron building inspector who was as clueless as you show up. He claimed that I needed a bunch of different licenses, or he was going to get a cease & desist order. He claimed that I was in violation of the NEC, as well. I tossed him my copy of the NEC and asked if he was familiar with the industrial & theatrical sections, then asked him to show me exactly which codes I was supposedly breaking. I also pointed out the top left corner of the blueprints where it stated: Electrician, connect power here. He told me he didn't give a damn that he was going to see the judge for the cease & desist order and would be back within the hour. I waited three months for him, but he never came back. Apparently his boss explained that he had no jurisdiction over the installation of industrial equipment. It is up to the electrician connecting the cable between the main disconnect & the transmitter power distribution system to inspect the work, not some ignorant building inspector.

Jasper County, South Carolina, USA.

I am not a licensed electrician.

I installed a 400A service in the house I am RENTING (so, therefore, I am NOT the owner). I secured a permit as the local utility will not connect to the meter until the go ahead from the building inspector is given to it. This service was inspected by my county inspector and passed with flying colors (he was very impressed with the TWO GEs (grounding electrodes aka ground rods) I (properly) installed).

So the above is proof that one does not need to be licensed. (Albeit my work was inspected by my local AHJ.)

Thomas