Re: Liability & responsibility of electrician?

Nonsense. The voltage at the panel has nothing to do with the wireman. It's a function of the transformer at the pole. The voltage in my shop, wired with three phase delta, is also upwards of 245 volts.

The only way a wireman could be responsible is if the panel was wired three phase delta, with a high leg, and he had assigned the high leg to one of the

The voltage declared indicates that the service is, indeed, delta.

Harold

Nonsense. If you hire a 'pro' chances are they make even more mistakes. In this case the owner is to blame. He should have hired someone from the company that sells the CNC machines to connect them properly to the mains.

Nonsense? Take your retarded queries elsewhere, crossposting, idiot, troll fucktard.

When a man wires up a machine, it is his responsibility to make sure that the machine he is connecting to power is set up for the voltage he is providing to it.

He is responsible because he did not perform the requirements analysis.

Doesn't matter. The device to be powered must not be wired up with an inappropriate feed, or fail to be set up to take the feed that is provided.

If a proper electrician does not know how to hook up a machine, he is not a proper electrician.

Pro work is usually insured.

That makes you wrong on both counts.

A CNC machine is something different than a light bulb. Few electricians know more than how to connect a light bulb and outlets. Besides, the story doesn't tell whether the machine has a permanent mains connection or is connected by a cord.

Nonsense. 245VAC could *easily* be a [nominal] 240V single-phase service.

Perhaps you don't work with many electricians. I work with electricians on a daily basis, and the large majority of them can run the wire to the machine, outlet, light fixture, what ever, but few of them have the ability to make sure it is 100% correct for the equipment powered. I have seen 480 volts wired to 208, and the reverse, single phase wired to 3 phase equipment, wrong rotation, (that had been verified correct by the electrician!), electricians reversing rotation in the equipment so some motors are correct, and some are reversed, you name it! That is where I come in, to double check phasing, verify incoming voltage is correct for the equipment, and to ensure the voltage taps in the equipment is set properly. Unless discussed before hand I would not assume the electrician checked to make sure the equipment was set up for the incoming power. Seems like the owners responsibility to me! Greg

I know of zero CNC machines that operate from a line cord.

Which makes ALL of them a mere order taker, point to point wireman.

This was not such an installation. If new runs had to be installed, then the installer, if only a mere electrician, is already in over his head if he doesn't know about the equipment to be fed power to.

Im not. Nor am I licensed. Yet I do the electrical work for many clients. And my business cards indicate that Im neither.

It has to do with how good you are, and that they know it.

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

Then you have been in few CNC shops west of the Mississippie.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

Fresno

Would your only solution for that particular machine then be simply getting an isolation transformer that allows a voltage reduction?

Does your work get inspected? (no, I do not mean by you, idiot)

You may be a professional something, but 'professional electrician' will not be the title.

Fresno

Ayup..a reverse "buck boost" or even as you say ..an isolation tranny.

Ive got one actually..Ive just never gotten around to installing it. First the heart surgery, then the stroke, then lots of work...sigh...so much to do..so little time.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

Oh of course it does. And passed every time for the past 12 yrs.

Nor have I ever made that claim.

So am I just a "handyman"?

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement, reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

Oh sure, $10k bill.

$1.0 to look at it, $9999 to know what to look at..

Please people, this simply looks like some one trying to collect on a repair bill at some one else's expense.

I think we have enough lawyers already hard at work at destroying peoples life's.

I feel sorry for the Electrician.

Well obviously you don't know much about the standards of electrical codes, labeling and so on. 245V is very normal..

I would be a little more worried about voltages running on the low side in shops like that.

And what is your definition of a line cord?

You've never seen 3 Wire with ground, plugs connected to cords on electrical equipment?

No, actually, the equipment most likely had cords on it that already had proper plugs that were properly labeled on the twist locks them self's..

You see, these little details are not coming to light here, did the electrician hard wire the CNC to the service or did he simply supply a compatible source for the mating plug on the cord attached to the CNC ?

I don't know about a lot of other shops how ever, where we work, all of our machine shop equipment have twist lock plugs with cords on them and those that know anything about this, know that they can only be inserted in the proper receptacle.

In short, different service voltages have specified keyed plugs. If the CNC already had a plug connected to it, then the data required by the electrician is on the plug.. and that is as far as the electrician needs to go with that.

If an incorrect plug is in use that does not match the voltage of the equipment but may have been used in an area where voltage was upgraded and receptacles were not changed, then it's the fault of the shop owner for not spending the cash to correct that.