Nuclear device for the kitchen, yes really

Prions do not have DNA nor any other usual genetic material such as RNA.

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

OK, actual percentage of molecules damaged is not quite zero, just some small fraction damaged slightly. Fatal to living things, hardly anything to anything already dead. Irradiate live chicken cells to the extent of causing damage comparable to 1/20 of the difference between chicken and turkey and what happens - sure looks to me like you get over 99% chicken and the other 1% more like chicken than like turkey, let alone any significant presence of anything that does not taste like or digest as poultry!

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

I expect irradiated poultry to have some detectable difference from fresh non-irradiated poultry. I also expect 1-day-past-slaughter non-irradiated poultry to be detectably different from

2-hour-past-slaughter non-irradiated poultry.

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Irradiation destroys or even merely alters a small percentage of protein molecules, and that is enough irradiation to be fatal to irradiated life forms that were alive when irradiated.

If most proteins and enzymes are undamaged, then the nutritional value does not drop much.

Also consider that the digestive system tends to do quite a number on most proteins - by and large, they are not absorbed into the bloodstream until they get broken down into single amino acids!

Any actual citable peer-reviewed bad results from this, in comparison to feeding dogs meat that is identical except for whether or not it is irradiated?

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Some beans, maybe potatoes, definitely salmonella bacteria and trichina worms and most other disease-causing microorganisms and foods prone to being contamination by disease-causing microorganisms (pork, quite a bit of farmed poultry and maybe poultry in general, and at least some beef)... Oh, I realize that germs are not usually considered food, but food items prone to having such germs sure are food and are made edible by cooking!

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

I would eat raw pig liver if necessary to avoid eating raw chicken!

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Most bacteria don't produce toxins, and food-spoiling toxin-producing bacteria make food obviously spoiled or at least "off" when there are enough toxins to make the food inedible.

Cooking also does not destroy at least many toxins produced by bacteria. Otherwise spoiled food would always be made safe by cooking it.

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Actually AIUI prions are the first known example of a self-replicating protein. I think they withstand temps of ~ 500C before being destroyed.

Graham

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Viagra side effects.

Sshhh. Don't tell anybody.

-- Ed Huntress

My Grandfather Thompson would go out to the chicken yard to select a few of the best for Sunday dinner... pick one up by the head... spin twice... put them back down to run around and bleed out ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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| 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Hmm, ED, that would be cool, hang them on your rear view mirror instead of the fuzzy dice. Start a new fad ;)

Anybody ask what they are tell them "people that didn't pay their health ins bill"! Or drug companies test subjects...

LOL .... after you bit the head off?

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Cliff

More than that, cooking is *essential* for some foods to stop them poising you ! Notably certain beans.

Graham

I wonder if Saga is still in business ....

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Cliff

That's "Kuru". Part of Winger's Disease?

Where did youy GET that kibble?

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Cliff

Probably! The PETA people would certainly be upset. ROTFLMAO!

...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.      Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Most of the bacteria involved in major food poisoning risks do (rather than those multiplying once they've infected a host). For fish and especially shellfish, the big risk is botulin which is absolutely _infamous_ for the toxin it produces.

Not always, not reliably and certainly not for shellfish. Aflatoxins are another case where the food can be toxic without visible or taste-related taint.

nice. Now I ask if the damaged dead flesh is OK to eat. How has it been damaged, and what are the likely ramifications of that damage.

It doesnt need to be transmuted into turkey to be bad for you. Nor do I say that it is. Only that the process affects the food, therefore it behooves those planning on implementing it to prove that the effects are harmless. Preferrably with something other than blatant assertion.

Cheers Terry

AIUI yes. So irradiating wont stop you from gettinc CJD, nor will carefully cooking your food.

Cheers Terry