Would you file an FTC or FCC complaint for Android T-Mobile ROM lies?

Probably not the explicit intent ... but a welcome side-effect? Certainly.

Cheers, tlvp

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Oh, blarg. Think about who has skin in the game on how Android development progresses. That is who is paying the bills, and guess what, they who provide the gelt call the shots.

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If you're savvy (and you probably are if you've rooted your device), then a hosts file can kill 99% of known adverts.

Use Youtube video tutorials.

Straying a bit off-topic, but the same thing can be said for most user reviews. Some are done by shills paid by competitors to pan the item. Some are done by people who have purchased it but haven't even opened the "box" yet. And some are done by kids, who by definition think they know everything. Maybe 10% are honest reviews. Trouble is, it can be hard to find which 10% that is.

TJ

Years of experience with computers. Android devices are computers, and work on the same principles.

It can be, if it's small enough. I have a computer that dual boots with Windows XP and Mageia Linux. Just a few weeks ago, I shrank my XP partition to create a "test" partition for the latest Mageia release, so I could try it out on the hardware. As it turned out, the test space was enough to install the system and test the hardware, but there wasn't enough user space to do much more than that. I certainly couldn't install and test all the Linux apps that I use regularly.

Now, with Mageia I had the option of installing a smaller, lighter system, but that would have made the test invalid.

TJ

Every motor vehicle I've ever owned had a spec for how many miles you can drive on a tankful of fuel. And none of those vehicles met that spec in Real Life.

TJ

I think most reviewers don't even know this fact!

Certainly, I didn't know it before I bought the phones.

I only learned after the phones came back to me to 'fix', when I found out, sadly, without rooting, that it would be very difficult (if not impossible) to move the pre-installed apps or to install new apps, to the sdcard.

I admit, I was an idiot. I had trusted that the reviewers actually knew what they were doing. Now, I belatedly realize, they're all shills, CNET & PC Magazine (sadly) included.

PC Magazine:

CNET:

On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 14:19:55 -0700, The Real Bev scrit:

I'm afraid to ask.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

That complaint was perfect.

I'm a normal consumer, who fell for an advertising 'trick' that only a VERY well informed consumer would NOT fall for.

Because of that, they should make it clear that you can't use the SD card for storage of apps!

Thank you again!

I hope you don't mind, but I filed the same complaint that you did!

"When I was first interested in buying an Android cellphone, I had realized that I wanted an external sdcard in order to NOT be limited by the internal phone memory.

Every provider of phones gives the amount of internal FLASH memory (in my case, 4GB) along with the fact that a slot for an external SD card ("up to 32 GB", in my case) is provided (or not provided).

HOWEVER, NO CONSUMER WARNING is provided by the manufacturer on any of their advertisements, web sites, specifications, manuals, or technical support phone calls, that IT'S IMPOSSIBLE to move the preloaded apps off that internal memory onto the sd card!

If companies provide the amount of USABLE memory to the consumer, instead of the worthless specification of TOTAL MEMORY, Consumers would not be tricked into buying a phone that turns out to not be as advertised.

In short, the advertisements should make it clear to the consumers that the sdcard memory is UNUSABLE for application storage. Anything less said, is intended to mislead the consumer. That is fraud."

I admit I am a dumb consumer.

I fell for the trick that the 32GB sd card could, somehow, augment the 4GB of "total internal memory" (aka Flash).

I was wrong. Dead wrong. Dumb wrong. Idiot stupid wrong.

However, look at this PC Magazine review of the phone:

To its credit, it does say "Unfortunately, bloatware runs rampant. You get nine pieces of bloatware from T-Mobile alone, and you can't delete any of it."

But, it NEVER SAID that you can't use the SD card for app storage. And, it never said you only get 600MB in toto, for app storage!

In fact, it mistook what the OS reported as the available memory, when we already know that to be untrue (see the memory thread for details).

"The Optimus L9 has 1.69GB of free internal storage, along with an empty microSD card slot underneath the battery cover. My 32 and 64GB SanDisk cards worked fine."

Notice that PC Magazine, essentially said: a) Too much T-Mobile bloatware (true) b) 1.69MB free internal storage (dead wrong) c) 32 & 64 GB cards work (yea, but not for app storage!)

I would say that anyone reading that PC Magazine review could be FOOLED into assuming (as I had) that the sd card could be used to overcome the limitations of the limited (FLASH) "total internal memory".

And, certainly, PC Magazine got it DEAD WRONG that there is "1.69MB of free internal storage"!

Clearly, PC Magazine never read this thread: How do we get Android to spit out the true memory & storage situation?

Well that's one reason to buy used or cheap to begin with, so you can learn through experience what's needed (what can be left as options). Once you have some hand on experience, then it's much easier to evaluate what you need, and what you may want.

Michael

And look at the (much worse) CNET review of the phone:

While they did correctly summarize that the T-Mobile L9 "comes preloaded with too much bloatware, they never stated that there was only 600MB of usable storage space for apps.

They repeated, in the so-called review "the L9 has way too much bloatware", but they never said how much was left for them, as a user, to store apps.

Considering the fact that they glossed over the fact there was only 600MB of usable memory, can you blame a naive consumer for thinking what they do?

They'd never sell the phone if they told the truth!

On the contrary: the SD card is a *great* place to store your apps. But it's a terrible place to try to run them from :-) .

Cheers, -- tlvp

They might have sold fewer, granted, but I'd venture to guess that most people don't care, or they don't know that they don't care.

I went another way when I bought my first smart phone and got what was then a better-than-average device, the Galaxy S3. As it turned out, I like it quite a lot, but there are obvious risks associated with not buying cheap.

Your music, very possibly. Your hearing? You can never be sure. Hearing acuity in my right ear dropped a good 20 dB at 10 kHz over the past 10 years, and rather more at 15 kHz and higher. Of course, YMMV. -- tlvp

Based on what? And what reviewers?