OT: Gas price

It's hilly here too, not much above sea level, and climbing hills is Ping City. Especially climbing hills fast.

When I was in engineering school, they told us that streets couldn't be more than 5% grades, because any more would freak drivers out. 22nd street near here is 31%, "one of the steepest navigable streets in the Western Hemisphere." But that one is one-way downhill.

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Den mandag den 24. august 2015 kl. 18.46.28 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:

pick a lower gear, more bangs instead of bigger bangs

We have no mountains, but still have quite a few hills with 5-10% averages up ~20% max

-Lasse

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Sure, the power to tax and to regulate is a pretty big lever on prices.

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krw

They haven't.

Maybe not. Obamacare was designed by the insurance lobby but costs have been flat at the macro level relative to CPI. It's been a fraction of a percent different in the rate of increase.

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A.R.B. as all, just trying to deal with it. It is illegal to buy/sell fore ign gasoline, but not yet illegal to use it. The problem with most car is the limited range of around 500 miles. I will have my extended tanker to d o 2000 miles and fill-up out of state. If enough people are doing it, then C.A.R.B would be irrelevant.

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Nah, that's the Most Honest Administration's PR.

People who buy their own policies--those in the 'individual market'--have seen rate increases of ~40% since 2013. (Even those rates are about 15% below actual cost; the administration is holding prices down by bailing out insurance companies via Obamacare's insurance co. bail outs. That tapers off next year.)

People in employer plans haven't felt the sting because the Administration keeps not following their law, not enforcing provisions or fines.

Here's a graph of actual data from an actual, national insurance broker contracted by HHS to sell Obamacare:

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Average individual premium is $257 today, a 30% hike for this outlet, with

15% additional still hidden by the insurance bailouts. Average family premium was $426 in 2013, $1,091 today.

Fun fact: only 40% of the people who are required to purchase Obamacarp in the exchanges have actually done so. 60% have declined.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

Octane rating has nothing to do with "good" or "bad" fuel. That is like saying the slightly faster digital chips are "good" chips and the slightly slower ones are "bad". If you don't need the speed of the faster chip the speed is just wasted.

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rickman

I know. My friend says her insurance is a lot less now with Obamacare.

Yeah, you have to wonder why anyone is still buying individual plans when they can get cheaper plans on the exchanges. Silly people.

I'm sure you can cherry pick data till the cows come home. The rate for the later months of 2013 show prices comparable to today.

Until the laws required it, many, many people didn't wear seat belts too. What's your point?

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"30% more power" and "big lazy V8" came from less then reputable scientific sources >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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It's a six speed dual-clutch automatic. I just push on that gas pedal thing.

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C.A.R.B. as all, just trying to deal with it. It is illegal to buy/sell fo reign gasoline, but not yet illegal to use it. The problem with most car i s the limited range of around 500 miles. I will have my extended tanker to do 2000 miles and fill-up out of state. If enough people are doing it, th en C.A.R.B would be irrelevant.

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Those are exchange plans, IIRC. HHS contracted eHealth when HHS' website blew up on the launchpad.

Just like when you add features on a car, Obamacare costs more.

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Citing the overall average of a big national firm is cherry-picking? Not.

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60% have ignored this 'law.'

I think that's cool.

People aren't stupid.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

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ere.com

C.A.R.B. as all, just trying to deal with it. It is illegal to buy/sell fo reign gasoline, but not yet illegal to use it. The problem with most car i s the limited range of around 500 miles. I will have my extended tanker to do 2000 miles and fill-up out of state. If enough people are doing it, th en C.A.R.B would be irrelevant.

is

ss we export ourselves out of the states.

or

ies' price gouging backfired. They are reversing it into inventory fire-sa le.

better for

time, but burn 50 gallons of gasoline round trip. So, gas price is more i mportant when i am on the road.

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Exactly. October 1, 2013--that's when Obamacare was first sold. Six polic ies (on the federal site).

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That was a great day for government competence, wasn't it?

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

"Octane rating is a measure of a fuel's ability to resist 'knock'. The octane requirement of an engine varies with compression ratio, geometrical and mechanical considerations and operating conditions. The higher the octane number the greater the fuel's resistance to knocking or pinging during combustion."

"...to make 30% more power per liter than big lazy V8 it needs the good fuel" applies to weeny-sized engines which get their horsepower by using supercharger-blowers and high compression ratios, and shortened engine life.

My big lazy V8 can go from 70 to 100 in a couple of seconds. Weeny-sized engines will have that much time wasted while the blower winds up... so, in a tight passing situation, you die >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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"Unless your engine is knocking, buying higher octane gasoline is a waste of money. Premium gas costs 15 to 20 cents per gallon more than regular. That can add up to $100 or more a year in extra costs. Studies indicate that altogether, drivers may be spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year for higher octane gas than they need."

Some posters here seem to be confusing octane rating with calories/gallon.

Then there's the "greenie" problem... ethanol REDUCES available calories/gallon... but Californica deserves it >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

My 3.2 l V6 is unblown, in a light 4WD car. Top speed is 156 MPH.

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so engines with higher specific output generally need higher octane fuel, in that case the "good" fuel

modern engines last forever

~250hp v.s ~270hp, 3.2L vs. 4.5l

-Lasse

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Sure they do ;-)

4.5L Q45 (2005)... 340hp, 1700rpm at 50mph

What's your timing from 70 to 100mph?

And you ignored wind-up response time. ...Jim Thompson

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Den tirsdag den 25. august 2015 kl. 17.41.26 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:

obviously since ethanol is ~20MJ/L vs. gasolines ~30MJ/L but it also rises the octane level since by ethanol self is ~110

and harmless compared to stuff like MTBE or worse TEL

-Lasse

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

And the Audi is light, basically a VW Rabbit that kicks ass. The 4WD lets it run away from any 2WD vehicle when road conditions are less than perfect. It's amazing in rain. I never thought I could like a 4WD automatic, but times change. It has a 6-speed dual-clutch millisecond-shift transmission, no torque converter, which I think was invented by Borg Warner.

I like German cars, VWs and Audis and BMWs. They have great dynamics. (And terrible electronics). US and Japanese cars feel crude and sloppy to me, or so smooth that only grannies appreciate the ride.

I agree that turbos are nasty. Too much time delay, bad low-end torque. There are some new electric-boost turbos that are claimed to be better, but that's more complexity and more electronics. More liters is a better way to get performance.

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Not to mention that's it's a leftist crock, just like global worming... more underhanded taxation by subsidizing ethanol producers. ...Jim Thompson

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