Too bad. Now, as you continue your studies of fine wines, you are doomed to spend the rest of your days in trial and error experiments.
Such a life:)
Wouldn't the fruit have to supply NaOH, sodium hydroxide? That would probably discourage some germs by itself:)
Maybe one of her employees might know.
Mike Monett
old teles used to have 25kv shunt regulators, and the sheilding on them used to have radiation warnings ...
Colin =^.^=
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Uh, how would taking up the modified DNA be any different from taking up the unmodified DNA? Either way it won't turn you into a giant potato or something since it gets dissolved in the digestive juices.
- YD.
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The Cabal.
Of which there isn't one.
What's a few orders of magnitude between friends ?
Which NG are you posting from ?
-- geoff
Today's temperatures:-
London, England - 32 Athens, Greece - 32 Malaga, Spain - 31 Miami, USA - 32 Faro, Portugal - 33 Kingston, Jamaica - 33 Cairo, Egpyt - 38
(That's 89.6 Fahrenheit in London - unusually hot)
Good - f*ck off
redneck
-- geoff
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Sulphur dioxide
bisulphate
Just do it
m'kay ?
-- geoff
We cannot help them until they stop listening to their warlords, who lead them with superstition and the local versions of ethnic cleansing.
Damn shame that assassination of foreign heads of state is now illegal.
Oh, horseshit. If elephant herds can be re-established, the herds of humans can be too. But is that a good thing?
We simply are not in a position to "let" them- they must stop following their warlords.
That'll happen when they figure out that it's OK to allow their neighbors to continue breathing.
Mark L. Fergerson
(Or, if you've guests coming, I'll lend you one of my glow-in-the-dark WW2 military radios. Guaranteed to give a scary scream on the Geiger counter :)
Isotron PLC do electron beam irradiation. It is used by one cosmetics manufacturer who likes to claim, truthfully if somewhat misleadingly, that the cosmetics contain no preservatives. Of course, many of them quickly go rancid after being opened, but they keep well on the shelves and it all helps sales. Apparently, the company prefers electron beam as being 'greener' than gamma irradiation in that it has no residue to dipose of later.
The dose of radiation required depends on the initial bioburden and the level of confidence that you want to have that the product is sterile. For medical devices the usual dose is 25-35kGy. That is, however, considerably more than most other applications require.
Colin Bignell
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Oppose the measure? Why? Whats your stand on floride in the water btw?
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So what do you think is the cause? Microwaves cause the O2 to come out of the water faster? Did you try a double blind study with distilled water? Floridated water?
Gunner
"Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown
did you read (new scientist a few months back IIRC) about indian villagers being encouraged to leave drinking water inside their traditional copper pots for several days - much more effective at sterilising the water than anything else, and free.
Cobalt-60 is the standard way of irradiating food to kill stuff.
In the US there is pretty good tracking of Cobalt-60 sources (lotsa paperwork etc.) but in third world countries the handling is a lot morre shoddy (many newspaper articles about how some piece of medical equipment using it turned up in dumps, folks took the metal and made furniture like beds, then died, etc.)
The USPS/government offices use electron beam accelerators for irradiating incoming mail.
There's lots of fun things you can do with electron beams (all the beam jockeys I worked with had really colorful distorted coke bottles made by sticking them in an electron beam). Typical power levels are in the kilowatts though.
Tim.
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Actually, this is very sensible and long, long past due.
It will probably place a burden on local grocers though as they do not and should not have the equipment for it. I'd not trust them with the radiation sources usually needed though perhaps a smallish linear accelerator or cyclotron might work.
They would have to get all of their meat prepackaged from centralized, controlled sources ... and the packaging must not be damaged or must clearly show that it has been damaged or tampered with. New problems ...
Then, if properly done, it might not even need to be refrigerated unless opened and might have a long shelf life .. just as cooked & canned foods do.
-- Cliff
Go to the FDA site. They seem to think that irradiation is to be used in addition to "clean' food processing.
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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John, This is no doubt because bacteria in water/environment help to start the seed by degrading it's husk. They also provide nutrients that many plants use.
These guys probably planted sterile (outside of seed) seeds in sterile soil under strerile conditions ans watered with water that had been heated to strerilize it. That they heated it with microwaves is immaterail.
The first mold to get to that sterile stuff took over as the natural bacteria that would have eaten them were missing .... and it had no competition either.
Found some idiots, did you ?
-- Cliff
If a person says "I am going to file a false report to the USPS alleging that the AARP sends sexually explicit material to me," how is that libel? It makes no allegation against the AARP. But it does sound like a false report.
On the other hand, if a person says "The AARP is sending me sexually explicit material and I am going to complain to the USPS," there might be a case for libel, but I SERIOUSLY doubt the AARP would bother to go after it. And if the person finds the material to be sexually explicit, who is the USPS to say that the material is NOT sexually explicit? So it might be hard to prove that it is a false report.
Do you now see my position? If the report is acknowledged to be false, then there is no libel. If the report is NOT acknowledged to be false, then the grounds for proving a false report is problematic.
I'm not 50 yet, but the same thing happened to my Mom at some point. It was like someone turned on a switch. I think it was well after her 50th, though.
--Mac
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Well if the good lord would have wanted us to eat irradiate food, he would have given us x-ray eyes. I wonder what the hell 700 club has to say ??
Opinion: Food Irradiation Threatens Public Health, National Security By Samuel Epstein, M.D. {Dr. Samuel Epstein is Professor Emeritus Environmental and Occupational Medicine, University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health, and Chairman, Cancer Prevention Coalition}
Distributed by Environmental News Service
CHICAGO, Illinois, March 8, 2002 (ENS) As well documented since the 1960s, these massive doses of ionizing radiation produce profound chemical changes in meat. These include elevated levels of the carcinogenic chemical benzene, and also the production of unique new chemicals, known as radiolytic products, some of which have been implicated as carcinogenic.
Dr. Joseph Mercola Author of the Total Health Program
Some radiolytic products, such as formaldehyde, benzene, formic acid, and quinones are harmful to human health. Benzene, for example, is a known carcinogen. In one experiment, seven times more benzene was found in cooked, irradiated beef than in cooked, non-irradiated beef.
Some URPs are completely new chemicals that have not even been identified, let alone tested for toxicity. In addition, irradiation destroys essential vitamins, including vitamin A, thiamin, B2, B3, B6, B12, folic acid, C, E, and K; amino acid and essential polyunsaturated fatty acid content may also be affected. A 20 to 80 percent loss of any of these is not uncommon.
May 14, 2001 Mr. Thomas Billy Chairman, Codex Alimentarius Commission United States Department of Agriculture
331-E Jamie Whitten Bldg. Washington, DC 20250-3700Comments opposing plans to weaken international food irradiation standards Below are samples of quotes from studies where negative health effects from high-dose irradiation were observed (emphasis added):
"Freshly irradiated PRD diet fed to male mice of both strains caused an increase in early deaths of offspring of females mated to the males in week 7 and to a lesser extent in week 4." (Study 1, below)
"Cytogenic examinations of the developing spermatogonia in 30 mice of each group revealed that cytogenetic abnormalities were significantly more frequent in the group fed irradiated flour than in the control group." (Study 2)
"Feeding of mice (males and females) for two months before mating with 50% of the standard complete diet (solid cakes) irradiated with 5 Mrads of radiation provokes a significant increase of pre-implantation embryonal deaths." (Study 3)
"The children receiving freshly-irradiated wheat developed polyploid cells and certain abnormal cells in increasing numbers as the duration of feeding increased and showed a gradual reversal to basal level of nil after withdrawal of the irradiated wheat. In marked contrast, none of the children fed unirradiated diet developed any abnormal cells." (Study 7)
How else are the germs, fungi and whatever killed if not by radicals and breaking bonds ? Yes, that also happens by cooking and by roasting. Overroasting meat indeed also creates carcinogene substances. This process is known. The processes invloved in irradiating food is little investigated and if investigated the the results are bent to whatever side.
Why not use the usual ways to prepare food ? The irradiating material has to be disposed of someplace sometimes.
How about storing the stuff appropriately ? Grain doesn't need to be wet there and then.
And then there are the careless ones. Low wage workers at CERN were discovered to be cooking food on some still hot (in the twin sense) metal parts disposed of in some of the many tunnels of the accelerator facility ...
Rene
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