EV to ICE Transition

American enthusiasts buying Teslas will have zero effect on the climate. China and India and Africa want cars and tractors and electric lights and cold beer and clean running water, and they are going to get them from fossil fuels.

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jlarkin
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Our Safeway does that.

A kid walks around with an unlocker gadget and collects the seized-up carts.

Stealing is popular these days.

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jlarkin
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No argument that ev's are more efficient if taken in isolation, but the energy still has to be generated to drive them and they still have as yet unknown effect in terms of world stability w/regard to access and limits to scarce natural resources.

No problem with a few early adopters, but a very different story to convert the whole world to electric transport. Not even started to address that and a the myriad of side effects that will result from it. Contrast that with the present situation with fossil fuels: Cheap, predictable and despite the fud, no sign of it running out for decades. No emergency and plenty of time for advanced energy systems to fill the gap when it does run out. Like a load of headless chickens, led by the nose and with programmed responses...

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chris

80 feet in a good year. One seldom sees Teslas up there in the winter.

They seem to convoy for mutual protection, like the covered wagons.

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Big SUVs park there when Safeway is busy. May as well.

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jlarkin

Yes.

Most tow trucks will not let you ride in the truck or in the car being towed, so you'll be stranded out there in the woods. Call Uber next.

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jlarkin

Very few toll roads in the uk, but the so called road tax is high per annum. The original purpose of that was to pay for upkeep of the roads, but that idea was dropped years ago. To get back there, it would be more equitable to make the charges dependent on the mileage driven. The present system is regressive, in that it penalises those who do the lowest mileage and that's on top of the fuel tax itself. Replacing two taxes with a single one based on usage seems to make sense, and might help reduce admin overhead as well...

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chris

Quite possibly, power and control. Control the world energy system and you control the world.

The progress of humanity has been primarily driven by advances in the sciences and access to cheap, reliable and easily accessed energy, yet so many are anti science, anti energy and would take us back to the stone age if they could. If there is a climate crisis, then let's have a more measured response...

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chris

Sorry mate, unable to grok much of that :-), but using the usual Guardianista technique of asking for references to cast aspersions doesn't cut it, sorry...

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chris

That is EXACTLY the point!!! It seems like it took a very long time, but you finally came around. I'm so glad you get it.

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Rick C

Dude, try to read the words I wrote. THE OVERALL SUPPLY PROCESS is more efficient for EVs. Less energy needs to be poured into the process at the front end. Do you understand that now?

I have no idea what you are talking about with "world stability". You mean the fact that oil politics can be reduced? Without auto petroleum consumption the US has in the ground many decades of oil without importing a drop. That has to be destabilizing. Is that what you mean?

Lol! You talk about something with EVs (without ever describing what it might be) being destabilizing, then talk about oil being "cheap and predictable" in spite of the US having been brought to it's knees in '72 by the Arab oil embargo and having fought wars over oil, not to mention periods of gas prices being twice what they are now.

Clearly your memory is very convenient if not downright impaired! That's rather the ultimate headless.

Why don't you stop with the nonsense and acknowledge your arguments are all BS and FUD.

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Rick C

Ok, I get it. You are just here to troll rather than have a discussion.

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Rick C

me included.

OK, it's a covid thing. Hopefully, thing would improve. Perhaps plastic shielding between driver and passenger.

They offer Lyft in some area.

And it's up to the tow truck driver. Some might allow ridding.

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Ed Lee

Charging EVs as such doesn't require many new HV lines, if the charging is done on off-peak hours.

However, if you intend to use unreliable renewables, such as solar and wind, you are going to need new HV lines that are capable of transferring electricity at a distance of at least 1000 km. The top production areas of both solar and wind changes constantly and you must be able to transfers the production to consumption.

During high pressure, there are often only weak winds but lots of solar. In a low pressure are, there are often clouds (and rain) and the solar production falls dramatically, but winds are often stronger, thus solar and wind can somewhat complement each other. However. the electric network must be as big as the weather system.

Building new HV lines can be hard due to the NIMBY effect, which may require underground cabling, which requires HVDC cables,

This is just an example that network of the size of only one US state is too small. A larger network with solar and wind and more reliable hydro and tidal power would help the situation further.

Of course HV lines across the continent would take advantage of time zones both for production as well as consumption.

Unfortunately the current US HV network seems to be currently in a bad shape.

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upsidedown

Don't conflate the issues of charging EVs with the issues of using renewable power. There are many potential solutions to each problem and an overly simplistic view of the problem gives an overly simplistic view of the solutions.

Solar tends to be well distributed, at least in California where residential PV is widespread. No HV lines are needed for that.

Wind power requires HV lines to connect it to the grid no matter how it is used.

The usage patterns of EVs don't typically require them to be charged every day. So they can automatically act as storage for renewable power by simply using the power when it is cheapest. Anything beyond that will require coordination and scheduling, but for the most part it won't be a significant issue. Without renewables there are huge reserves of generating capacity at night which is the perfect time to restock the EV.

Good thing we won't need any new HV lines to charge EVs other than possibly the last mile to the Superchargers.

That's too bad. If that is true, the utilities and related industries need to step up and get their systems in shape before we have yet another disaster.

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Rick C

Just read that California is getting 1 GW/10 GWh of compressed air power storage.

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That will help with the wind and solar availability.

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Rick C

Ya, it's not usually like that all winter long, a number of storm systems tend to move through predominantly in February and March.

December tends to be a pretty dull month weather-wise, mostly sunny, dry, and moderately cold. First major snowfall of last year in the Boston area was on Dec 15th. Christmas day high temp was 60 and the low was 40.

It's not Barcelona, but it ain't Fargo.

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bitrex

Conveniently forgetting all the political corruption, pollution and health issues in source countries. This happens all the time, but trying to tell me there there is something virtuous about the whole renewables game is the real BS.

Fact free science, or just what you read in the Guardian ?.

You can shut your eyes to the the potential supply and demand situation for scarce raw materials if renewables become mainstream in all countries, but i'm not so sure. No doubt the US and western countries will find a way, but what about developing and 3rd world countries ?.

I'm always concerned and skeptical when people are so sure about something. however good the sales pitch...

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chris

Total troll. Said absolutely nothing to reply to. So obviously he has no argument, he just likes to argue. The very definition of a troll.

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Rick C

Or, use a 400Hz airborne power unit, which can have outputs of up to 500Kw or more. Lightweight, run on Kerosene and would have more than enough capability for fast charging, several vehicles at once if need be. Can be silenced as required as well.

Battery pack would be my least preferred solution, as they have limited cycle life and need to be recharged after every start...

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chris

But how many of these special truck they need to implement the national policy. Anyway, many of AAA trucks are private contractors, and they have trouble finding enough new signup for special charging trucks.

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Ed Lee

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