Why aren't computer clocks as accurate as cheap quartz watches?

Please, no more of your self analysis.

Well, at least you're consistently loony.

First sane thing you've said.

I didn't make any comment at all about what would be a 'fair', or 'unfair' price.

Stupid a**hole. The pipeline would be over a coupla thousand miles of Tundra. Do you know what that is? I doubt it. Why let factual information get in the way. You cannot bury pipe in perma-frost. Also, when run on the surface, migration paths for caribou and other migratory species *must* be considered. The route chosen by our government, which would have addressed all those concerns was too costly and too much trouble for administrators of the US oil industry so, they wouldn't build it. So, screw ya, do without it.

Not whining about that part. Whining because the goddam crowd of thieves on Wall St are the cause of these increases.

Sure, I know what it is. I do not, however, know where the hell you're located so get off you self indulgent high horse.

Typical whiner. Can't do this. Can't do that. Then blame it on someone else.

If your government is going to decide everything then why don't you folks build it your own blessed selves?

Yeah, it's all a 'plot' just to get you.

And you wonder why you sound like a conspiracy buff or paranoid.

Good gawd a'mighty, what the hell are you on about. There's no blame being placed on anyone. It's strictly the US government and US oil interests who are whining, because they can't get their own way in implementing a pipeline from Alaska (that's US territory) through Canada (that's our territory). They want to do it cheap and dirty and consequently, go about f**king up some other country's environment like they've done with their own. Canada says no, meet these criteria or forget it. Don't you think the US would do the same if things were reversed??

Of course we decide everything in this case, It's still our country. I suppose it is? I haven't looked at Dubbya's latest moves yet today. You *do* understand that Canada is not part of the US I assume?

We don't need to build it. We don't want to build it. We have no reason to build it. We have enough oil, we don't need any more. Besides, it's US oil, not Canadian oil. Already told you that a number of times as well. It's US oil coming from a US State and Canada *happens* to be in the way.

Ha, how many times do you have to be told that is not where the costs come from. The costs are fixed by the New York Stock Exchange and Futures Buyers. Jeeze, you *can't possibly* be that dumb and unaware of the world around you. Haven't you noticed statements like "The price of oil for delivery in February will be ....", for example or, the price of oil was up on the NYSE today due to "profit taking" (like that excuses it). How in the hell does anyone *know* what the situation is gonna be in February? Nobody knows what it will be like next friggin' week for chrissake.

Not a plot, just plain GREED, as I've said a number of times already. Why do you always have to try and read in something that is not there? Really don't feel too secure in your argument or what??

Keeerist, you're sure hung up on the psychological babble talk. Find another angle, this one is wearing thin.

I said "many". Whether or not most do is probably unmeasured.

Once again, you leave me wondering why you are hanging out in the homebuilt PC group. To ask questions and shill for Microsoft I guess.

I'm running two computers that I built myself.

Don't guess.

Why is it that some people think that denying what they do in the very next sentence is a 'logical' argument?

I've already seen how it can bes done cooperatively and with extensive environmental 'considerations', as you call it, with the existing Alyeska pipeline so your claims do not jibe with reality.

When attempting to work with someone else it's never 'all' one or the other and that you seem to think so is likely one of the problems.

Thanks for being a good neighbor.

Supply and demand.

Just that I understand supply and demand in a world market.

Well, yes, your insistence on using it is getting rather old.

I really think you need to not only learn to read, but learn to understand what you read. What is written below is a

Man, you can't play ball with Goliath when he's continually shoving the bat up your ass.

Good neighbor? If "good neighbor" is defined by giving up your right to implement your own rules in your own country in what you perceive as being the best and least destructive, Then I say f**k it, be a lousy neighbor. Don't see much "good neighbor" coming north from your neck of the woods, except when it serves "American interests". Takes 2 to tango mister.

Supply and s*it, we're talking months into the future. Supply

WooHoo. From this thread and others I get the impression you think you understand a lot about everything. I would argue the point. But???

I say GREED. Do you need a definition? What could that possibly have to do with "conspiracy and paranoia". Man, you make absolutely no sense sometimes. I notice it normally occurs "argument legs" get really wobbly. :-)

Really dumb statement. I guess enough is enough. Later

Your assessment of virtually everything is a 'blame' of one sort or the other. In this particular case, it's a blame you apparently consider thankfully 'averted': the dirty rotten cheap bastard oil companies from "f**king up some other country's environment."

I supposed this isn't a 'blame' either.

IMO a "good neighbor" is defined, in part at least, as being reasonable, rational and, ideally, cordial and helpful but I'm not getting that impression from you.

Simply not so. Companies of all kinds, not just 'oil', have to deal with future supplies for the simple fact they hope to be in business past 'the present' and not everything just spontaneously appears on your dock the instant you may need it, at least not without planning into the future. So if see you won't be able to get what you need *then* it affects what you do

Btw, in your futures trading examples, the price generally goes *down* on "profit taking," not up, (increased supply as the profit takers try to sell) and that "nobody knows... what the situation is gonna be in February" is why it's a risk. Futures traders are gambling on the price, they don't 'fix' it, so if that "for delivery in February" price they paid turns out to be high they lose.

"Greed" is a motive and if it were not acted on you wouldn't be so incensed. But you are so you obviously feel it's being acted on and that is 'the plot'. Or, in your case, I suspect it's many plots as you seem to use it as a universal explanation for every perceived ill.

I provide the logic behind my 'understanding' so it can be evaluated.

Explained just above. "Greed" is simply a motive behind the 'conspiracy' and without the act the motive is moot so you'd have nothing to rail about.

I was referring to your insistence that every perceived ill is due to "greed."

This is obviously going nowhere. You have your opinion, I have mine. Hmmm, strange huh? Just like two nations. :-)

As with them, discussions are sometimes useless.

I find communication breaks down when the same old rhetoric gets spewed over and over, whether its fact or just something they heard once from 'someone' at the dinner table, who could have invested in MS in the 80's, but didn't because it was a lark and would never become anything worth while.

You sure got that right. By both parties. My apologies, I should have left it alone many many lines back. Too stupid I suppose.

Really? Please do tell me more!

I suppose you could email me - I have a spamdump at snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com, but if you elide ard, I'll get it eventually. ;-)

But netiquette asks that you post so that others can benefit from your answers; so if you want to email me, just cc your post.

Remember to elide ard. ;-)

Quant Suff! Rich

I don't. I thank them gushingly. Let's face the facts, I've been a bum since long before I became a professional beggar. And like I said, it takes a lot of pride to go hungry in a country where they throw away hundred of pounds of food every day because the "sell by" code was yesterday.

Hell, in college, the guys in the dorm would walk across the street to the burger joint at closing time, when they were about to toss the unsold burgers and fries into the dumpster. They just tossed them to us instead.

The other things I learned in college are, Tang mixes perfectly well with straight vodka, but it's terribly strong; and how to burn farts.

He's talking about Florida, the state that got Dubya elected. Of course they're harsh!

I notice a lot of "Them" here, speaking of "judg[ing] others". Maybe "they" prefer not to receive largesse from a self-righteous boor who issues his charity with a generous dollop of guilt-trip.

What was that crack about your walking-stick? You're such a victim because they cut you off in the crosswalk? Is that the old rich white people who do that?

Just whack them with your stick!

And lately, I haven't been begging, I've been selling jokes. This one's pretty popular:

Q: How many white guys does it take to change out a light bulb?

A: One.

;-P

Good Luck! Rich

We get off our fat, self-righteous, judgemental ass, and give what we can spare, when we can spare it.

You astonish me sometimes, the way you rag on Jim Thompson, while, in these tirades, you're practically indistinguishable from him.

Self-righteous is as self-righteous does.

And that "one hand on the keyboard" crack is kind of pitiable, when you think it through.

Good Luck! Rich

Maybe you should try. You might learn a little bit about what "self- sufficiency" really means: Here's a clue: It's not "waiting for my benefits check".

Thanks, Rich

Hey, it's just as illegal for rich people to sleep under bridges as it is for poor people.

:-/ Rich

He didn't have to. IBM and Intel were kind enough to provide him with the ever-popular 8088, which once they got the assembler written, could cross- compile 8080 code and execute it. I once had an opportunity to play with a very expensive S-100 computer that had both and 8085 and an 8088, and could run the native code of each, but not simultaneously. I had some great fun writing interprocess communications stuff in assembly code, and trying to invent file locking on a "MP/M-8/16" OS. It was based on CP/M, but was "multi-user", in that it supported several ASCII serial terminals, but not "multi-user" in any real sense.

Anyway, at the time Intel came out with the 8088, everyone with half a brain or more wondered, "If they're segmenting memory to get an effective

But nOOOOOooo! They graced us with the 8088 and all that has followed.

Oh, well - hindsight is always 20-20, and I think I have a ... Nah, lemme check: Heh. AMD Athlon, but I have no idea if it's 16 or 32 bits - call it a brain fart. Blame it on rant endorphins, thanks. :-)

Cheers! Rich