ñ ÂÙ ÐÒÅÄÌÏÖÉÌ ÕÓÔÒÏÉÔØ ÇÏÌÏÓÏ×ÁÎÉÅ. ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÌÉ "ÔÅÔÒÉÓÎÁÐÉËÅ" embedded ÐÒÉÌÏÖÅÎÉÅÍ. òÅÚÕÌØÔÁÔÙ ÔÁËÏÇÏ ÇÏÌÏÓÏ×ÁÎÉÑ ÄÏÓÔÁÔÏÞÎÏ ÏÞÅ×ÉÄÎÙ. îÏ ×Ù ×ÅÄØ ×ÏÚÒÁÚÉÔÅ, ÓËÁÖÅÔÅ, ÞÔÏ ÄÕÒÁËÏ× ÍÎÏÇÏ, Á ÕÍÎÙÈ ÅÄÉÎÉÃÙ (ÜÔÏ Ñ ÐÒÏ ×ÁÓ).
Embedded software programer urgently need!!!
Sep 16, 2003
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ðpÉ×ÅÔ, Dima!
*** 26 Sep 03 16:01, Dima Orlov wrote to Roman Porozhnetov:
DO> íÙ - ÜÔÏ ÐÏÄÐÉÓÞÉËÉ ÜÈÉ.
ïÔÕÞÁÅÍÓÑ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔØ ÚÁ [×ÓÅÈ] ÐÏÄÐÉÓÞÉËÏ×. ñ ÌÉÞÎÏ ÎÉËÏÍÕ ÚÁ ÓÅÂÑ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔØ ÎÅ ÐÏÒÕÞÁÌ. Ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ ÷ÌÁÄÉÓÌÁ×Hello Dima.
26 Sep 03 09:27, you wrote to Yurij Sysoev:DO> Hello, Yurij Sysoev !
DO> éÎÔÅÒÅÓÎÏ, ÜÔÏ ÐÏÓÌÅ ÔÏÇÏ, ËÁË ÉÎÄÕÓÙ ÉÚ áÍÅÒÉËÉ ÄÏÍÏÊ ÐÏ×ÏÚ×ÒÁÝÁÌÉÓØ?
õ ÎÉÈ ÔÁÍ ÓÅÊÞÁÓ ÖÕÔËÉÊ ÂÕÍ, ×ÓÅ ÂÒÏÓÉÌÉÓØ × éÎÄÉÀ ÎÁÂÉÒÁÔØ ÁÕÔÓÏÒÓÅÒÏ×, ÎÁ×ÅÒÎÏÅ, ÉÚ ÔÅÈ, ËÔÏ × Ó×ÏÅ ×ÒÅÍÑ ×ÅÒÎÕÌÓÑ :) ëÏÌÌÅÇÁ ÎÅÄÁ×ÎÏ × âÁÎÇÁÌÏÒ ÅÚÄÉÌ, ËÒÕÔÉÌ È×ÏÓÔÁ ÉÎÄÀËÁÍ, ÒÁÓÓËÁÚÙ×ÁÌ...Dmitry
Hello, Vladislav Baliasov !
íÏÖÅÛØ ÔÁË ÎÅ ×ÏÌÎÏ×ÁÔØÓÑ. úÁ ÔÅÂÑ Ñ ÎÅ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÌ. ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ×.
Не спорю. Но вопрос был не в эмбеддедности, а в применимости для чего-либо, кроме как поиграться.
Hello, Dima! You wrote to Peter Kostenko on Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:45:00 +0400: DO>>> ôÏÇÄÁ ÏÎÁ ÓÏÄÅÒÖÉÔ ÎÅ ÏÔÎÏÓÑÝÉÅÓÑ Ë embedded ÞÁÓÔÉ.
DO> ëÁËÉÅ?
ÐÏ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÉÀ ;-) Barr, Micheal. "Embedded Systems Glossary."
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system (ËÓÔÁÔÉ, ÏÞÅÎØ ÍÎÏÇÏ ÒÅÓÕÒÓÏ× ÐÏ embedded ÉÍÅÀÔ ÓÓÙÌËÕ ÎÁ ÜÔÏ, × ÔÏÍ ÞÉÓÌÅ É
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ÞÔÏ ÖÅÌÁÔÅÌØÎÏ, ÐÒÉ "ÎÉÚËÏÊ ËÏÔÉÒÏ×ËÅ" ÄÁÎÎÙÈ ÓÓÙÌÏË ÐÒÉ×ÏÄÉÔØ Ó×ÏÉ) =========== n. A combination of computer hardware and software, and perhaps additional mechanical or other parts, designed to perform a dedicated function. In some cases, embedded systems are part of a larger system or product, as in the case of an antilock braking system in a car. Contrast with general-purpose computer.
EXAMPLE: Microwave ovens, cell phones, calculators, digital watches, VCRs, cruise missiles, GPS receivers, heart monitors, laser printers, radar guns, engine controllers, digital cameras, traffic lights, remote controls, bread machines, fax machines, pagers, cash registers, treadmills, gas pumps, credit/debit card readers, thermostats, pacemakers, blood gas monitors, grain analyzers, and a gazillion others.
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of embedded systems
automatic teller machines computer printers disk drives cellular telephones and telephone switches. inertial guidance systems for aircraft and missiles. medical equipments video game consoles
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machinery use programmable logic controllers to handle automation and monitoring. engine control computers and antilock brake controllers for automobiles wristwatches household appliances, including microwave ovens, washing machines, and television sets home automation products, like thermostats, sprinkler, and security monitoring systems network equipment, including routers and firewalls
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ÏÓÎÏ×ÎÙÍ ÐÒÉÚÎÁËÁÍ ×ÓÔÒÏÅÎÎÙÈ ÓÉÓÔÅÍ ÎÁ×ÅÒÎÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÏÔÎÅÓÔÉ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ:
- ËÏÍÐØÀÔÅÒ ÐÒÉÓÐÏÓÏÂÌÅÎ Ë ËÏÎÓÔÒÕËÃÉÉ ÍÁÛÉÎÙ, × ËÏÔÏÒÕÀ ×ÓÔÒÏÅÎ
- ÉÍÅÀÔÓÑ ÎÅÏÂÙÞÎÙÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á ××ÏÄÁ-×Ù×ÏÄÁ
- ÓÉÓÔÅÍÁ ÒÁÚÒÁÂÏÔÁÎÁ ÉÓËÌÀÞÉÔÅÌØÎÏ ÄÌÑ ×ÙÐÏÌÎÅÎÉÑ, ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÎÏÅ ÏÂÅÓÐÅÞÅÎÉÅ ÓÏÚÄÁÎÏ ×ÎÅ ÅÅ. ==============
ÏÂÝÉÊ ÚÎÁÍÅÎÁÔÅÌØ ×ÓÅÇÏ ÎÁÊÄÅÎÎÏÇÏ (ÐÒÉ ÂÅÇÌÏÍ ÐÏÉÓËÅ):- designed to perform a dedicated function
- × ÎÅËÏÔÏÒÙÈ ÓÌÕÞÁÑÈ are part of a larger system or product
ÔÅÔÒÉÓ, × ÜÔÏÍ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ, Ñ ÓÔÁ×ÌÀ ÎÁÒÑÄÕ Ó ÞÁÓÁÍÉ, cell phones, calculators, printers, fax machines, pagers. ÓÁÍ ÔÅÔÒÉÓ × "ÕÐÒÏÝÅÎÎÏÍ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ" ÜÔÏ
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Hello, Dima! You wrote to Roman Porozhnetov on Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:16:00 +0400: DO> éÇÒÁ ÎÅ Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ. Embedded Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÔÏ, ÞÔÏ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÑÅÔ ÐÒÉ×ÏÄÁÍÉ ÜÔÉÈ DO> ÎÁËÌÏÎÑÌÏË. äÌÑ ÉÇÒÙ ÏÎÉ ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ×ÎÅÛÎÉÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á ÓÏ Ó×ÏÉÍ DO> ÉÎÔÅÒÆÅÊÓÏÍ, ËÁË ÍÙÛØ ÉÌÉ ÄÉÓËÏ×ÏÄ (ËÏÎÔÒÏÌÌÅÒÙ ËÏÔÏÒÙÈ ËÏÎÅÞÎÏ DO> embedded).
"ÏÐÐÏÎÅÎÔÙ ÎÅ ÔÏÞÎÙ × ÔÅÒÍÉÎÏÌÏÇÉÉ"? ;-) ×ÓÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï ÃÅÌÉËÏÍ - ÜÔÏ embedded ÒÁÚÒÁÂÏÔËÁ, ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÁ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÑ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×ÏÍ - embedded, Á ×ÏÔ ÁÌÇÏÒÉÔÍ ÉÇÒÙ - ÜÔÏ ÕÖÅ ÓÐÏÒÎÙÊ ×ÏÐÒÏÓ, ÓËÏÒÅÅ ×ÓÅÇÏ ÎÅ embedded
DO> ..... ÓËÁÚÁÌ ÏÞÅ×ÉÄÎÕÀ ÇÌÕÐÏÓÔØ, É DO> ÐÏÜÔÏÍÕ ÍÙ ÄÏÌÖÎÙ ÚÁÔÒÅÐÅÔÁÔØ É ×ÎÉÍÁÔØ?
ÏÄÉÎ ÉÚ ÜÌÅÍÅÎÔÏ× embedded software - ÎÁÂÏÒ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÎÙÈ ÆÕÎËÃÉÊ. ÎÏ ËÁË ÞÁÓÔÏ ÂÙ×ÁÅÔ "ÓÔÒÏÇÏÓÔØ ÚÁËÏÎÁ ÎÅ ×ÓÅÇÄÁ ÏÂÑÚÁÔÅÌØÎÁ ÄÌÑ ÉÓÐÏÌÎÅÎÉÑ". þÅÍ ÄÏÒÏÖÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï, ÔÅÍ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏ (ÐÏ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÅ) ÈÏÞÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÞÉË ÅÇÏ ÒÁÓÛÉÒÉÔØ. ÉÍÈÏ, ÓÅÊÞÁÓ É ÎÁÞÁÌÓÑ ÓÐÏÒ ÐÏ ÜÔÏÊ ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏÓÔÉ. HÁÐÒÉÍÅÒ, ËÏÍÐØÀÔÅÒ - ÜÔÏ ÓÐÌÏÛÎÏÊ ÎÁÂÏÒ embedded ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×, ÎÏ ÐÏÞÅÍÕ ÔÏ ËÏÇÄÁ ÜÔÏ ×ӣ ×ÍÅÓÔÅ, embedded ÅÇÏ ÎÅ ÎÁÚÙ×ÁÀÔ ;-)) ÔÏÞÎÏ ÔÁËÖÅ, × ÓÏÓÅÄÎÅÍ ÔÒÅÄÅ (ÐÒÏ ÞÔÏ ÒÅÞØ ÛÌÁ, ÐÒÏ ÎÁÌÁÄÏÎÉËÉ?) ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï Ó ÂÏÌØÛÏÊ ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏÓÔØÀ ÕÖÅ ÐÅÒÅÓÔÁÅÔ ÂÙÔØ embedded ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×ÏÍ, ÎÏ ÐÒÁËÔÉÞÅÓËÉ ÃÅÌÉËÏÍ ÓÏÓÔÏÉÔ ÉÚ embedded ËÏÍÐÏÎÅÎÔÏ×.___ Peter Kostenko
ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Roman!
Friday September 26 2003 17:30, Roman Porozhnetov wrote to Alexander Torres:
RP> éÍÅÎÎÏ ÔÁË É ÓÞÉÔÁÅÍ. ÷Ù ÄÁÖÅ ÓÁÍÉ ÕÍÕÄÒÉÌÉÓØ ÄÏÇÁÄÁÔØÓÑ, ÞÔÏ ÚÁÍÅÎÕ ÄÉÓËÁ RP> ÓÞÉÔÁÅÍ ÚÁÍÅÎÏÊ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÙ. RP> õÄÉ×ÉÔÅÌØÎÏ, ÎÏ ÆÁËÔ. RP> äÌÑ ÂÏÌØÛÅÇÏ ÐÏÎÉÍÁÎÉÑ Ñ ÄÏÂÁ×ÌÀ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ. ëÁË ÓÌÅÄÓÔ×ÉÅ ÜÍÂÅÄÄÎÙÊ ÓÏÆÔ RP> ÍÅÎÑÅÔÓÑ ÄÏÓÔÁÔÏÞÎÏ ÒÅÄËÏ.
äá ÎÕ? HÅÄÁ×ÎÏ ÂÙÌÏ "ÎÅ ÍÅÎÑÅÔÓÑ" ×ÏÏÂÝÅ... á ËÁË-ÖÅ ÎÁÓÞÅÔ ÏÂÓÕÖÄÁÅÍÏÇÏ ÔÕÔ ÁÐÇÒÅÊÄÁ ÐÏ ÂÌÀÔÕÓÕ? :)RP> é ËÁË ÐÒÁ×ÉÌÏ ÔÏ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï ÎÁ ËÏÔÏÒÏÅ ÏÎ RP>
RP> üÔÏÔ ÁÎÇÌÉÞÁÎÉÎ ÜËÓÐÅÒÔ × ÄÁÎÎÏÊ ÏÂÌÁÓÔÉ.
÷ ËÁËÏÊ ËÏÎËÒÅÔÎÏ ÏÂÌÁÓÔÉ? íÏÖÅÔ ÄÁÅÛØ ÅÇÏ Å-ÍÅÊÌ ÉÌÉ ÔÅÌÅÆÏÎ, É Ñ ÓÁÍ Ó ÎÉÍ ÐÏÇÏ×ÏÒÀ?RP> ë ÔÏÍÕ ÖÅ ÓÁÍ ÔÅÒÍÉÎ "embedded" ÐÒÉÄÕÍÁÎ ÎÅ × òÏÓÓÉÉ.
ñ ËÁË-ÔÏ × ËÕÒÓÅ. áÎÇÌÉÊÓËÉÊ ÎÅÍÎÏÖËÏ ÚÎÁÀ, ÐÏÌ ÄÎÑ ÎÁ ÎÅÍ ÇÏ×ÒÀ..RP> á ÚÄÅÓØ "ÎÅËÏÔÏÒÙÅ" ÐÙÔÁÀÔÓÑ ÐÅÒÅÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÉÔØ ÜÔÏÔ ÓÁÍÙÊ ÔÅÒÍÉÎ
÷ ËÁËÏÍ ÓÍÙÓÌÅ "ÚÄÅÓØ"? ñ ËÁË-ÔÏ ÎÁÞÉÎÁÌ "ÜÍÂÅÄÄÅÄ" ÚÁÎÉÍÁÔØÓÑ ÓÏ×ÓÅÍ ÎÅ × òÏÓÓÉÉ, ÄÁ É ÔÅÐÅÒØ ×ÅÓØÍÁ ÄÁÌÅËÏ ÏÔ ÎÅÅ.RP> ÐÕÔÅÍ ÌÏÇÉÞÅÓËÉÈ ÚÁÂÌÕÖÄÅÎÉÊ, ÉÓÈÏÄÑ ÉÚ ÔÏÇÏ, ÞÔÏ ÐÒÉ×ÙËÌÉ ÓÁÍÉ RP> ÎÁÚÙ×ÁÔØ embedded.
úÁÞÅÍ ÞÔÏ-ÔÏ "ÐÅÒÅÏÓÍÙÓÌÉ×ÁÔØ"? óáÍ ÔÅÒÍÉÎ "ÜÍÂÅÄÅÄ" - ÐÒÅÄÐÏÌÁÇÁÅÔ "×ÓÔÒÁÉ×ÏÅÍÏÅ" ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï.÷ÉÄÁÔØ ÔÁËÉ ÎÅ ÓÕÍÅÌ....
Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Ivan!
Friday September 26 2003 20:21, Ivan Maximov wrote to Alexander Torres:
IM> HÅ ÓÐÏÒÀ. HÏ ×ÏÐÒÏÓ ÂÙÌ ÎÅ × ÜÍÂÅÄÄÅÄÎÏÓÔÉ, Á × ÐÒÉÍÅÎÉÍÏÓÔÉ ÄÌÑ IM> ÞÅÇÏ-ÌÉÂÏ, ËÒÏÍÅ ËÁË ÐÏÉÇÒÁÔØÓÑ.
"ðÏÉÇÒÁÔØÓÑ" ÉÌÉ "ÎÅ ÐÏÉÇÒÁÔØÓÑ" - ÎÅ ÉÍÅÅÔ ÎÉËÁËÏÇÏ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÑ. åÓÌÉ ÜÔÏ ÔÅÔÒÉÓ ÎÁ ÐÉËÅ - ÜÔÏ ÎÉËÁËÏÊ ÎÅ "ÜÍÂÅÄÄÅÄ", Á ÅÓÌÉ ÜÔÏ ÉÇÒÕÛËÁ-ÒÏÂÏÔ, ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓÏÒ ËÏÔÏÒÏÊ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÑÅÔ ÒÕËÁÍÉ-ÎÏÇÁÍÉ-ÇÏÌÏ×ÏÊ, ×ÓÅÍÉ Ä×ÉÖÅÎÉÑÍÉ, ÄÁÔÞÉËÁÍÉ É Ô.Ð. - ÜÔÏ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÞÅÍ "ÜÍÂÅÄÄÅÄ". ñ Ó ÔÒÕÄÏÍ ÐÏÎÉÍÁÀ ËÁË ÍÏÖÎÏ ÚÁÎÉÍÁÔØÓÑ ÜÈÏÔÁÇÏÍ. ÎÅ ÐÏÎÉÍÁÑ ÔÁËÉÈ ÜÌÅÍÅÎÔÁÒÎÙÈ ×ÅÝÅÊ.
èÏÔÑ É ÐÏ×ÔÏÒÑÀ - ÇÒÁÎÉÃÁ, "×ÏÄÏÒÁÚÄÅÌ", ×ÅÓØÍÁ ÒÁÓÐÌÙ×ÞÁÔÙ, ËÁË × ÔÏÍ ÐÒÉÍÅÒÅ Ó ÐÏÒÎÏÇÒÁÆÉÅÊ É ÜÒÏÔÉËÏÊ, ÉÌÉ ÞÔÏ ÐÏÂÌÉÖÅ - ÓÉÓÔÅÍÎÏÅ É ÐÒÉËÌÁÄÎÏÅ ðï ÎÁ òó.Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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Hello, Dima! You wrote to Roman Porozhnetov on Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:16:00 +0400:
DO> þÅÍ ÓÐÅÃÉÆÉÞÎÏÇÏ? ôÅÍ, ÞÔÏ × ÏÔÌÉÞÉÅ ÏÔ ÎÏÒÍÁÌØÎÙÈ PDA × ÎÅÇÏ ÎÅÌØÚÑ DO> ÚÁÇÒÕÚÉÔØ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÕ? ÄÁ×ÁÊÔÅ "ÄÏËÁÚÙ×ÁÔØ ÏÔ ÐÒÏÔÉ×ÎÏÇÏ". ËÏÇÄÁ Ñ×ÎÏÅ embedded ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï (hard É soft) _ÐÒÉÎÃÉÐÉÌØÎÏ_ ÓÔÁÎÏ×ÉÔÓÑ ÎÅ embedded? ÐÒÉÎÃÉÐ ×ÓÔÒÁÉ×ÏÍÏÓÔÉ - ÜÔÏ ÏÄÉÎ ÉÚ "ÐÏÓÔÕÌÁÔÏ×", ÎÏ ÏÎ ÎÅ ÏÓÎÏ×ÏÐÏÌÁÇÁÀÝÉÊ, ÓËÏÒÅÅ ÐÒÅÄÐÏÌÏÇÁÀÝÉÊ. ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÎÙÊ ÎÁÂÏÒ ÆÕÎËÃÉÊ - ×ÏÔ ÐÒÏÓÔÏÒ ÄÌÑ ÆÁÎÔÁÚÉÉ, ÔÁË ËÁË ÔÁËÏÅ ÐÏÎÑÔÉÅ ÏÔÎÏÓÉÔÅÌØÎÏÅ É Ó ÒÁÚ×ÉÔÉÅÍ ÔÅÈÎÉÞÅÓËÏÇÏ ÐÒÏÇÒÅÓÓÁ ÜÔÁ ÐÌÁÎËÁ (ÎÁÂÏÒÁ ÆÕÎËÃÉÊ) ÐÏÓÔÏÑÎÎÏ ÐÏ×ÙÛÁÅÔÓÑ. ÓÏÔÏ×ÙÊ ÔÅÌÅÆÏÎ, Ó ÆÏÔÏÁÐÐÁÒÁÔÏÍ, Ó ÄÉËÔÏÆÏÎÏÍ, ÍÏÂÉÌØÎÙÍ ÔÅÒÍÉÎÁÌÏÍ, Ó ÚÁÇÒÕÖÁÅÍÙÍÉ ÁÐÐÌÅÔÁÍÉ É Ô.Ä. É Ô.Ð. ×ÓÅ ÒÁ×ÎÏ ÏÓÔÁÎÅÔÓÑ embedded, Á ÄÌÑ ÄÅÔÅÊ ÜÔÏ "ËÏÒÏÂËÁ", ÐÏ ËÏÔÏÒÏÊ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÐÏÚ×ÏÎÉÔØ ÒÏÄÉÔÅÌÑÍ É ÐÏÉÇÒÁÔØ × ÔÅÔÒÉÓ. HÏ ÔÅ ÒÏÄÉÔÅÌÉ, ËÏÔÏÒÙÅ ÒÁÚÒÁÂÁÔÙ×ÁÌÉ ÜÔÉ "ÉÇÒÕÛËÉ", ÎÅ ÐÒÅÓÌÅÄÏ×ÁÌÉ ÃÅÌØ ÏÔÏÒ×ÁÔØ "embedded" ÎÁÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÅ ÜÔÏÇÏ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á, Á ÖÅÌÁÌÉ ÐÏ×ÙÓÉÔØ ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏÓÔØ ÄÁÎÎÏÇÏ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÏÎÏ (ÍÁÒËÅÔÉÎÇ) ÂÙÌÏ ÄÏÓÔÕÐÎÏ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÛÉÒÏËÏÍÕ ËÒÕÇÕ É ËÁÖÄÏÍÕ ÄÁ×ÁÌÏ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÎÙÊ ÎÁÂÏÒ ÆÕÎËÃÉÊ, × ÜÔÏÍ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ software tetris × ÜÔÏÍ ËÏÎËÒÅÔÎÏÍ ×ÉÄÅ (ÔÅÌÅÆÏÎÅ) - ÜÔÏ embedded soft, ÏÎÏ _×ÓÔÒÏÅÎÏ_ × ÜÔÏ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï, ÅÓÌÉ ÄÅÒÖÁÔØÓÑ ÔÅÒÍÉÎÏÌÏÇÉÉ, É ×ÙÐÏÌÎÑÅÔ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÎÙÊ ÎÁÂÏÒ ÆÕÎËÃÉÊ.
ÅÓÌÉ ÒÅÞØ ÉÄÅÔ Ï "ÎÏÒÍÁÌØÎÙÈ PDA" - ÜÔÏ ÎÅ embedded ÅÓÌÉ ÜÔÏ PDA ×ÙÐÏÌÎÑÅÔ _ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÎÙÅ_ , ×ÏÚÌÏÖÅÎÎÙÅ ÎÁ ÎÅÇÏ, ÆÕÎËÃÉÉ - ÜÔÏ embedded. ÐÒÉ ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔÉ ÐÏÄËÌÀÞÁÅÛØ Ë PDA ÌÀÂÏÊ ÄÁÔÞÉË, ÉÓÐÏÌÎÉÔÅÌØÎÏÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï, ÐÉÛÅÛØ ÓÏÆÔ É × ÇÏÔÏ×ÏÍ ×ÉÄÅ ÐÒÏÄÁÅÛØ. ëÏÍÐØÀÔÅÒ - ÜÔÏ ÎÅ embedded. ðÏÄËÌÀÞÁÅÛØ Ë ËÏÍÐØÀÔÅÒÕ (ÉÌÉ ×ËÌÀÞÁÅÛØ ËÏÍÐØÀÔÅÒ × ÓÏÓÔÁ× ÓÉÓÔÅÍÙ) ÉÎÔÅÒÆÅÊÓÎÙÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á, ÐÉÛÅÛØ ÓÏÆÔ, ÐÏÍÅÝÁÅÛØ ÅÇÏ ÎÁ _ÎÅ×ÁÖÎÏ_ÞÔÏ_ (cd,flash,hdd) - ÐÏÌÕÞÁÅÛØ ÞÉÓÔÙÊ embedded. ëÁË ÐÒÉÍÅÒ ÒÏÕÔÅÒ(switch, hub) - ËÏÇÄÁ "ÄÅÒÅ×ØÑ ÂÙÌÉ ÂÏÌØÛÉÍÉ" Ñ ÄÅÌÉÌ ÒÏÕÔÅÒÙ ÎÁ "ÖÅÌÅÚÎÙÅ" É "ÓÏÆÔÏ×ÙÅ" - ÎÁ ÓÁÍÏÍ ÄÅÌÅ, imho, ÂÏÌØÛÁÑ ÇÌÕÐÏÓÔØ. ïÂÙËÎÏ×ÅÎÎÁÑ ÐÅÒÓÏÎÁÌËÁ ÐÒÅ×ÒÁÝÁÅÔÓÑ × ÌÀÂÏÅ ÉÚ ÜÔÉÈ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ× ÏÂÙÞÎÙÍ ÐÕÔÅÍ: ÐÏÄËÌÀÞÁÅÍ ÉÎÔÅÒÆÅÊÓÙ, ÚÁÌÉ×ÁÅÍ ÓÏÆÔ, ÚÁÐÕÓËÁÅÍ × ÓÏÓÔÁ×Å ÓÉÓÔÅÍÙ - ÐÏÌÕÞÁÅÍ embedded. "ÖÅÌÅÚÎÙÅ" ÒÏÕÔÅÒÙ "ÄÅÌÁÀÔ" ÐÏ ÔÁËÏÊ ÖÅ ÓÈÅÍÅ É × ÜÔÏÍ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ ×ÁÖÎÏ ÎÅ ËÁËÏÊ ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓÏÒ ×ÎÕÔÒÉ ÓÔÏÉÔ, Á ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏÓÔØ ×ÓÅÇÏ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á. äÒÕÇÉÍÉ ÓÌÏ×ÁÍÉ embedded ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÉÓÔ ÍÏÖÅÔ ÐÒÁËÔÉÞÅÓËÉ ÌÀÂÏÅ ÎÅ-embedded ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï "ÏÂÌÁÇÏÒÏÄÉÔØ" ÄÏ ÓÏÓÔÏÑÎÉÑ embedded Ó×ÏÉÍ ÇÅÎÉÁÌØÎÙÍ embedded software (ÅÓÌÉ ÅÓÔØ ÍÅÓÔÏ, ËÕÄÁ ÅÇÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÐÏÍÅÓÔÉÔØ). ÏÐÉÓÁÎÉÑ ÔÅÈÎÉÞÅÓËÉÈ ÏÓÏÂÅÎÎÏÓÔÅÊ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ× × ÍÏÉÈ ÐÏÓÔÉÎÇÁÈ ÎÅ ÉÝÉÔÅ, ÉÈ ÔÁÍ ÎÅÔ, ÅÓÌÉ É ÐÏÐÁÌÉ, ÔÏ ÐÏ ÞÉÓÔÏÊ ÓÌÕÞÁÊÎÏÓÔÉ ;-) - ×ÅÚÄÅ ÒÅÞØ ÛÌÁ Ï ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏÓÔÉ. ___ Peter Kostenko p.s. ÎÅ ÐÏ ÓÁÂÖÕ: 24.09.2003 Cypress æÉÒÍÁ "üæï" ÐÏÌÕÞÉÌÁ ÏÆÉÃÉÁÌØÎÙÊ ÓÔÁÔÕÓ ÐÏÌÎÏÍÏÞÎÏÇÏ ÐÒÅÄÓÔÁ×ÉÔÅÌÑ ÆÉÒÍÙ Cypress × òÏÓÓÉÉ (ÓÅÒÔÉÆÉËÁÔ). æÉÒÍÁ Cypress Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÏÄÎÉÍ ÉÚ ÍÉÒÏ×ÙÈ ÌÉÄÅÒÏ× × ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÓÔ×Å ÍÉËÒÏÓÈÅÍ ÐÁÍÑÔÉ, ÍÉËÒÏÓÈÅÍ USB ÓÔÁÎÄÁÒÔÏ× 1.1 É 2.0, ÁÎÁÌÏÇÏ-ÃÉÆÒÏ×ÙÈ ÒÅËÏÎÆÉÇÕÒÉÒÕÅÍÙÈ ÓÉÓÔÅÍ ÎÁ ËÒÉÓÔÁÌÌÅ (PSoC) É ÍÉËÒÏÓÈÅÍ ÔÁËÔÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÑ.
ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Yurij!
Friday September 26 2003 17:55, Yurij Sysoev wrote to Alexander Torres:
AT>> HÉÞÅÇÏ, Ñ ÐpÏ ÜÔÏ × ËÕpÓÅ, ÔÏÌØËÏ ÐÅpÅÎÏÓÉÔÓÑ ÄÁÌÅËÏ ÎÅ ×ÓÅ, É × AT>> ÍÅÎØÛÅÍ ÏÂØÅÍÅ ÞÅÍ ÏÎÏ ÂÙÌÏ.
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ëÁËÁÑ ÒÁÚÎÉÃÁ ËÁËÁÑ ÐÒÉÞÉÎÁ ÓÐÁÄÁ? íÙÌØÎÙÊ ÐÕÚÙÒØ ÌÏÐÎÕÌ - ×ÏÔ É ÐÒÉÞÉÎÁ ÓÐÁÄÁ. á ÌÏÐÎÕÌ ÏÎ - ÎÅ × ÐÏÓÌÅÄÎÀÀ ÏÞÅÒÅÄØ ÂÌÁÇÏÄÁÒÑ ÐÒÏÅËÔÁÍ ÔÉÐÁ "ÉÎÔÅÒÎÅÔ × ËÁÖÄÕÀ ËÏÆÅÍÏÌËÕ" É ÂÌÀÔÕÓ - × ËÁÖÄÏÅ ËÏÌÅÓÏ ÍÁÛÉÎÙ.YS> á ÔÏÔ ÏÂßÅÍ, ËÏÔÏpÙÊ ÐÅpÅÍÅÝÁÅÔÓÑ ÓÀÄÁ - ÔÕÔ _ÏÞÅÎØ_ ÚÁÍÅÔÅÎ. ÷ÏÏÂÝÅ YS> áÚÉÑ - ÅÄÉÎÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÅ ÍÅÓÔÏ, ÇÄÅ ÓÅÊÞÁÓ ÄÅÌÁ ÎÅ ÔÏ ÞÔÏÂÙ ÐpÏÓÔÏ YS> ÎÏpÍÁÌØÎÏ, ÎÏ ÏÞÅÎØ É ÏÞÅÎØ ÎÁ ÐÏÄßÅÍÅ, ÐpÉÞÅÍ ÜÔÏ ËÁÓÁÅÔÓÑ YS> ×ÓÅÇÏ.
åÓÔÅÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ, ÜÔÏ-ÖÅ ÐÏËÁ ÅÄÉÎÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÅ ÍÅÓÔÏ Ó ÄÅÛÅ×ÏÊ ÒÁÂÏÞÅÊ ÓÉÌÏÊ.Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Peter!
Friday September 26 2003 21:51, Peter Kostenko wrote to Dima Orlov:
PK> ÐÏ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÉÀ ;-) PK> Barr, Micheal. "Embedded Systems Glossary." PK>
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PK> embedded system PK> (ËÓÔÁÔÉ, ÏÞÅÎØ ÍÎÏÇÏ ÒÅÓÕÒÓÏ× ÐÏ embedded ÉÍÅÀÔ ÓÓÙÌËÕ ÎÁ ÜÔÏ, × ÔÏÍ ÞÉÓÌÅ PK> É
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PK> =========== PK> n. A combination of computer hardware and software, and perhaps additional PK> mechanical or other parts, designed to perform a dedicated function. In PK> some cases, embedded systems are part of a larger system or product, as in PK> the case of an antilock braking system in a car. Contrast with PK> general-purpose computer. PK>
PK> EXAMPLE: Microwave ovens, cell phones, calculators, digital watches, VCRs, PK> cruise missiles, GPS receivers, heart monitors, laser printers, radar PK> guns, engine controllers, digital cameras, traffic lights, remote PK> controls, bread machines, fax machines, pagers, cash registers, PK> treadmills, gas pumps, credit/debit card readers, thermostats, pacemakers, PK> blood gas monitors, grain analyzers, and a gazillion others.
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PK> Examples of embedded systems PK>
PK> automatic teller machines PK> computer printers PK> disk drives PK> cellular telephones and telephone switches. PK> inertial guidance systems for aircraft and missiles. PK> medical equipments PK> video game consoles
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PK> industrial machinery use programmable logic controllers to handle PK> automation and monitoring. engine control computers and antilock brake PK> controllers for automobiles wristwatches household appliances, including PK> microwave ovens, washing machines, and television sets home automation PK> products, like thermostats, sprinkler, and security monitoring PK> systems network equipment, including routers and firewalls
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PK> ÏÂÝÉÊ ÚÎÁÍÅÎÁÔÅÌØ ×ÓÅÇÏ ÎÁÊÄÅÎÎÏÇÏ (ÐÒÉ ÂÅÇÌÏÍ ÐÏÉÓËÅ): PK> - designed to perform a dedicated function PK> - × ÎÅËÏÔÏÒÙÈ ÓÌÕÞÁÑÈ are part of a larger system or product PK>
PK> ÔÅÔÒÉÓ, × ÜÔÏÍ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ, Ñ ÓÔÁ×ÌÀ ÎÁÒÑÄÕ Ó ÞÁÓÁÍÉ, cell phones, calculators, PK> printers, fax machines, pagers.
é ÎÁÐÒÁÓÎÏ. ôÅÔÒÉÓ × ÓÏÔÏ×ÏÍ ÔÅÌÅÆÏÎÅ - ÎÅ Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÅÇÏ ÏÓÎÏ×ÎÏÊ ÆÕÎËÃÉÅÊ, ÜÔÏ ÔËÁ, "ÒÀÛÅÞËÁ", ËÒÏÍÅ ÔÏÇÏ - ÏÎ ÄÁ×ÎÏ ÎÁÐÉÓÁÎ ÄÌÑ ÎÏÒÍÁÌØÎÙÈ ËÏÍÐØÀÔÅÒÏ×, ÚÁÞÅÍ ÐÉÓÁÔØ ÅÇÏ ÓÐÅÃÁÌØÎÏ ÄÌÑ ÍÏÂÉÌÏË?PK> ÓÁÍ ÔÅÔÒÉÓ × "ÕÐÒÏÝÅÎÎÏÍ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ" ÜÔÏ PK>
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Peter!
Friday September 26 2003 22:13, Peter Kostenko wrote to Dima Orlov:
DO>> éÇÒÁ ÎÅ Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ. Embedded Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÔÏ, ÞÔÏ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÑÅÔ ÐÒÉ×ÏÄÁÍÉ ÜÔÉÈ DO>> ÎÁËÌÏÎÑÌÏË. äÌÑ ÉÇÒÙ ÏÎÉ ÐÒÏÓÔÏ ×ÎÅÛÎÉÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á ÓÏ Ó×ÏÉÍ DO>> ÉÎÔÅÒÆÅÊÓÏÍ, ËÁË ÍÙÛØ ÉÌÉ ÄÉÓËÏ×ÏÄ (ËÏÎÔÒÏÌÌÅÒÙ ËÏÔÏÒÙÈ ËÏÎÅÞÎÏ DO>> embedded). PK>
PK> "ÏÐÐÏÎÅÎÔÙ ÎÅ ÔÏÞÎÙ × ÔÅÒÍÉÎÏÌÏÇÉÉ"? ;-) PK> ×ÓÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï ÃÅÌÉËÏÍ - ÜÔÏ embedded ÒÁÚÒÁÂÏÔËÁ, ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÁ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÑ PK> ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×ÏÍ - embedded, Á ×ÏÔ ÁÌÇÏÒÉÔÍ ÉÇÒÙ - ÜÔÏ ÕÖÅ ÓÐÏÒÎÙÊ ×ÏÐÒÏÓ, PK> ÓËÏÒÅÅ ×ÓÅÇÏ ÎÅ embedded PK>
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PK> ÏÄÉÎ ÉÚ ÜÌÅÍÅÎÔÏ× embedded software - ÎÁÂÏÒ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÎÙÈ ÆÕÎËÃÉÊ. PK> ÎÏ ËÁË ÞÁÓÔÏ ÂÙ×ÁÅÔ "ÓÔÒÏÇÏÓÔØ ÚÁËÏÎÁ ÎÅ ×ÓÅÇÄÁ ÏÂÑÚÁÔÅÌØÎÁ ÄÌÑ PK> ÉÓÐÏÌÎÅÎÉÑ". þÅÍ ÄÏÒÏÖÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï, ÔÅÍ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏ (ÐÏ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÅ) PK> ÈÏÞÅÔ ÚÁËÁÚÞÉË ÅÇÏ ÒÁÓÛÉÒÉÔØ. ÉÍÈÏ, ÓÅÊÞÁÓ É ÎÁÞÁÌÓÑ ÓÐÏÒ ÐÏ ÜÔÏÊ PK> ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏÓÔÉ. HÁÐÒÉÍÅÒ, ËÏÍÐØÀÔÅÒ - ÜÔÏ ÓÐÌÏÛÎÏÊ ÎÁÂÏÒ embedded PK> ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×, ÎÏ ÐÏÞÅÍÕ ÔÏ ËÏÇÄÁ ÜÔÏ ×ӣ ×ÍÅÓÔÅ, embedded ÅÇÏ ÎÅ ÎÁÚÙ×ÁÀÔ PK> ;-)) ÔÏÞÎÏ ÔÁËÖÅ, × ÓÏÓÅÄÎÅÍ ÔÒÅÄÅ (ÐÒÏ ÞÔÏ ÒÅÞØ ÛÌÁ, ÐÒÏ ÎÁÌÁÄÏÎÉËÉ?) PK> ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï Ó ÂÏÌØÛÏÊ ÆÕÎËÃÉÏÎÁÌØÎÏÓÔØÀ ÕÖÅ ÐÅÒÅÓÔÁÅÔ ÂÙÔØ embedded PK> ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×ÏÍ, ÎÏ ÐÒÁËÔÉÞÅÓËÉ ÃÅÌÉËÏÍ ÓÏÓÔÏÉÔ ÉÚ embedded ËÏÍÐÏÎÅÎÔÏ×.
é ÞÔÏ ÔÅÂÑ × ÜÔÏÍ ÕÄÉ×ÌÑÅÔ? äÁ, ÂÙÔÏ×ÏÊ/ÏÆÉÓÎÙÊ ÐÅÒÓÏÎÁÌØÎÙÊ ËÏÍÐØÀÔÅÏ - _Hå_ Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÜÍÂÅÄÄÅÄ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×ÏÍ. HÏ ÅÓÌÉ Ë ÎÅÍÕ, ÄÁÖÅ ÅÇÏ ÎÅ ÏÔËÒÙ×ÁÑ, ÐÏÄËÌÀÞÉÔØ (Ë ÐÒÉÍÅÒÕ ) ÎÁ óïí-ÐÏÒÔÙ ÎÅËÉÅ ÄÁÔÞÉËÉ É ÎÅËÉÅ ÉÓÐÏÌÎÉÔÅÌØÎÙÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Á, ÎÕ É ÓÏÆÔ ÓÏÏÔ×. ËÏÎÅÞÎÏ - ÏÎ ÓÔÁÎÅÔ ÜÍÂÅÄÄÅÄ-ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×ÏÍ (ÐÏ-ÎÏÒÍÁÌØÎÏÍÕ - ËÏÎÅÞÎÏ ÎÁÄÏ ÐÒÏÍòó Á ÎÅ ÂÙÔÏ×ÕÀ ÐÅÒÓÏÎÁÌËÕ. ÎÏ ÜÔÏ ÄÅÌÁ ÎÅ ÍÅÎÑÅÔ).Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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Sat Sep 27 2003 00:48, Alexander Torres wrote to Yurij Sysoev:
YS>> áÚÉÑ - ÅÄÉÎÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÅ ÍÅÓÔÏ, ÇÄÅ ÓÅÊÞÁÓ ÄÅÌÁ ÎÅ ÔÏ ÞÔÏÂÙ ÐpÏÓÔÏ YS>> ÎÏpÍÁÌØÎÏ, ÎÏ ÏÞÅÎØ É ÏÞÅÎØ ÎÁ ÐÏÄßÅÍÅ, ÐpÉÞÅÍ ÜÔÏ ËÁÓÁÅÔÓÑ YS>> ×ÓÅÇÏ.
AT> åÓÔÅÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ, ÜÔÏ-ÖÅ ÐÏËÁ ÅÄÉÎÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÅ ÍÅÓÔÏ Ó ÄÅÛÅ×ÏÊ ÒÁÂÏÞÅÊ ÓÉÌÏÊ.
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ðÒÉ×ÅÔ Vladimir!
Saturday September 27 2003 04:52, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote to Alexander Torres:
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Hello, Peter Kostenko !
ðÏ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÉÀ ×ÐÏÌÎÅ ÁÄÅË×ÁÔÎÏÍÕ
Ñ ÎÅ ×ÉÖÕÔ ÔÕÔ ËÏÍÂÉÎÁÃÉÉ ÖÅÌÅÚÁ É ÓÏÆÔÁ. ðÏÄÈÏÄÉÔ ÔÏÌØËÏ ÐÒÅÄÎÁÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÅ ÄÌÑ ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÎÏÊ ÆÕÎËÃÉÉ. ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ×.
Hello, Peter Kostenko !
ëÏÇÄÁ ÏÎÉ ÎÅ ×Ï ÞÔÏ ÎÅ ×ÓÔÒÏÅÎÙ, Á Ñ×ÌÑÀÔÓÑ ÓÁÍÏÓÔÏÑÔÅÌØÎÏÊ ÓÉÓÔÅÍÏÊ ÏÂÒÁÂÏÔËÉ ÄÁÎÎÙÈ. ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ×.
Hello, Peter Kostenko !
ðÏÞÅÍÕ?
÷ÓÅ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Ï ÃÅÌÉËÏÍ - ÜÔÏ ÐÌÁÔÆÏÒÍÁ ÄÌÑ ÉÇÒ, ËÁË PC ÐÌÁÔÆÏÒÍÁ ÄÌÑ ÏÆÉÓÎÙÈ ÐÒÉÌÏÖÅÎÉÊ.
üÔÁ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÁ × ÜÔÏÍ ÕÓÔÒÏÊÓÔ×Å É ÖÉ×ÅÔ, ËÁË ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÁ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÑ ×ÉÎÞÅÓÔÅÒÏÍ ÖÉ×ÅÔ × ËÏÎÔÒÏÌÌÅÒÅ ×ÉÎÞÅÓÔÅÒÁ. ôÅÏÒÅÔÉÞÅÓËÉ ËÏÎÅÞÎÏ ÍÏÖÎÏ ÐÒÅÄÓÔÁ×ÉÔØ ÓÅÂÅ ÔÁËÕÀ ÓÉÓÔÅÍÕ Ó ÄÏÐÏÌÎÉÔÅÌØÎÙÍÉ ÐÏÒÔÁÍÉ, ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÑÅÍÕÀ ãð É Ó ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÀÝÉÍÉ ÞÁÓÔÑÍÉ ðï × ÓÁÍÏÊ ÉÇÒÅ, ÎÏ ÞÔÏÂÙ ÔÁËÏÅ ÓÏÔ×ÏÒÉÔØ ÎÕÖÎÏ ÂÙÔØ ÎÕ ÏÞÅÎØ ÁÌØÔÅÒÎÁÔÉ×ÎÏ ÏÄÁÒÅÎÎÙÍ ÒÁÚÒÁÂÏÞÉËÏÍ.
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þÔÏ ÏÞÅÎØ ÍÁÌÏ Ó×ÑÚÁÎÏ Ó ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔØÀ ÚÁÍÅÎÙ ÓÏÆÔÁ, ÉÈ ÒÅÁÌÉÚÕÀÝÅÇÏ, ÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÔÅÌÅÍ ÓÉÓÔÅÍÙ. ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ×.
Hello, Dmitry Lyokhin !
äÁ, ÜÔÏ ÉÎÔÅÒÅÓÎÏ ×ÅÓØÍÁ.
ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ×.
Hello everybody.
26 Sep 03 19:13, Dima Orlov wrote to Vladislav Baliasov:ðÏÄÐÉÓÞÉËÉ ÜÈÉ - ÜÔÏ äÉÍÁ ïÒÌÏ× É áÌÅËÓÁÎÄÒ ôÏÒÒÅÓ. ÷ÓÅ ÏÓÔÁÌØÎÙÅ ×ÉÄÉÍÏ ÎÅÔ.
Alexey
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