OT: Al Franken

----------------- You Rightist Shit are like a jilted HS girlfriend about Clinton, you're still weeping and bawling years later, unable to get a date!

The fact is that his kind of masterful shading of the truth has never been of the kind that has ever been prosecuted or even remarked on, especially since it wasn't material to the case for which he was being deposed.

------------------------ Nonsense, agency rivalry dates back a century.

----------------------- Partisan nonsense. You're a bunch of whining schoolgirls pissing and moaning because YOU didn't get to sucj his dick!

-Steve

-------------- See above.

---------------------------- No, but you are!

------------------- O'Reilly looks like a smarmy car salesman.

---------------------- You don't even understand what he says! Go away, simpleton.

-Steve

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(Refer to context that was reinserted, after your grotesque and dishonest editing job.)

Yes, when reading the context that you DISHONESTLY removed, it becomes clear that he wasn't referring to Al Franken, the Infomercial host as personally bouncing the check. He was referring to Air America AS BOUNCING THE CHECKS.

Read the 'arrows' above, and it is clear that he is stating that Air America bounced the checks, and Al Franken (the Infomercial host) is their info-poodle.

More leftist dishonesty proven again. Like the leftist media (e.g. CBS, NBC, ABC), you remove context to make yourself appear to be superficially accurate.

John

deal.

incompetency.

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You haven't rebuted the arguments, liar. You full-well knew you were stating a non-truth, thus you are a *LIAR*. You're on record as being a liar, and will always be such.

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incompetency.

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Just for credibility's sake, I looked up the stations of interest. The Chichago station is a 1kW/5kW (daytime/nighttime) station. If anyone cares to glue this together...

The LA station is a 50kW burner:

Of course. Even Imus gets money (and exchanges time == money) with his affiliates. Only network news *pays* for time (out of advertizing). Only Ronco pays for blocks of time. Even Ron has

It is a lie, particularly after he was corrected several times. ... all easily verifiable. He still sticks to the same story ==

To be fair (I did a FCC search earlier), the LA station is a 50kW monster. The Chicago station is a 1kW paper-tiger though.

I'm surprised 1kW gets above the 'el' noise in Chicago. LA; see above.

Poorly planned, without a doubt. Taking away minority representation... I dunno. I didn't look up their license request. It's on the FCC site. Perhaps Mr. Liu did get licensed based on "minority broadcast"? Selling out to AA may be a license violation?

Sure. Death by sound-bite. I don't think people are buying this as much these days. CNN seems to be in rough water. Fox is taking market share constantly.

I don't think it's that overt, though the leftists and libs really don't care crap about those they pander to. They would rather keep them where they are than try to help them to better themselves. Jesse and Al are the left's great American minorities.

Bill Jefferson Clinton, as if you didn't know. I guess you lefties are as ignorant as you are stupid.

More RSW vacuous comments.

More slander, with no intellectual backup.

More RSW sillyness. According to you murder is justified, as long as it supports your utopian plans. Uday had some good times with this logic too.

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Thank you for the correction. The 50kW is certainly good enough to handle a metro area (normally the max AM radio station power in the US), but as you also suggested -- the Chicago station is a little lame.

There was actually a little bit of a 'stir' about O'Reilly who was also allegedly purchasing time in some markets. It was a little bit of a scandal (and initially seemed to be a potentially weak entry.) In reality, the Democrat infomercial is a much worse 'scandal' when the backbone of the rhetorical advocacy of the Democrat party (Al Gore, Al Franken, et all) didn't have enough of a quality product to sell their time (instead of purchase infomercial time.)

Walz is indeed a liar, not even able to accept compromise when he is totally wrong. My ego tends to be not so weak, where I do happily accept honest correction or constructive criticism (e.g. from some of your comments about some of my comments.)

Yes, I acknowledge that error -- and honestly, I was only using information from 2nd hand sources. I should have had enough motivation to look up the info (like you did.) Thank you.

In Indy, we have some stations that try to get by with a couple 100 watts to perhaps a kW or so. Given the noise at night (due to propagation issues), such stations have very very short useful ranges. There are only a few AM stations in Indy that have enough power to give consistent coverage across town. (I'll make sure that I no longer imply that the LA station was so very lame.) With some fancy reception gear, I can do better than the average radio, but the AM band seems mostly to be overwhelmed by interference sources. Our local power company also seems to be getting by with murder WRT their noisy power lines (lots of arcing.) It is bad on main roads through the city, where the power lines alone along with the street lights provide incredible amounts of noise.

That would be an interesting issue. If they only did the Franken infomercial for a few hours during the day, would that cause them problem even with a 'minority' license? Is there actually such a kind of license (i.e. broadcast material) instead of minority ownership? My 1st phone license is 30yrs expired, and I haven't kept up with radio broadcasting since then :-). So, actually, I have to plead ignorance about the licensing constraints.

That is a good description of current AMERICAN left wing rhetoric: Death by sound-bite. We truly do need a balance between the right and the left, but the left doesn't seem to have enough confidence in its (often limited) good ideas and/or has a perception that their idealogy is unacceptable to the public, and the leftist politicians avoid in-depth give-and-take discussion. Rather, they seem to take a page from the Jesse Jackson kind of group chanting mentality.

I sure hope that the Democrat constituencies start to fully understand how the Democrat politicians appear to assume (and depend upon) the incredible ignorance of reality in the Dem constituency groups. Their rhetoric is almost purely emotional -- and their political strategy is analogous to the short term financial strategy of poorly run big businesses.

Don't get me wrong: there are also defects in some of the GOP methods and behavior. However, the party with the JFKennedy's style of inspiration is DEFINITELY more the GOP rather than the Dems. JFKs record as president was far from perfect, but he had some good conceptual idealogy, and GWB isn't very different in that regard.

The sad thing is that CNN apparently has a better organization and more resources, and is capable of providing more complete in-depth reporting. However, people are sick and tired with the leftist and almost anti-America bias in organizations like CNN and ABC. This is probably why the lesser 'Fox' news network has made so much progress -- Fox isn't really less accurate than the left wing propagandists, but is also not as anti-America.

They do forget that they are Americans first before being reporters, and some of our more recent leftist zealots like Cronkite were truly loyal 'Americans' during WWII more than Amanpour (sp) or Peter Jennings. Too much propaganda is certainly mostly undesirable, but some anti-America news organizations like CNN, ABC or Al Jazeera choose the wrong side of the propaganda game for my own tastes. People are sick and tired of biased anti-America propaganda, but would also eventually distrust a pure America cheerleading team also. A critical view is important, but effectively cheeleading against America (even sometimes avoiding a flag lapel pin -- however silly that is) is disgusting and emotionally punishing without any benefit. Fox AT LEAST attempts to provide some balance when bias is probable. Too often, CNN has provided a *token* centrist or right-winger only. The lefties available on Fox are pretty formadable, just like the righties. Colmes is just as good a lefty as Hannity is a righty, but Colmes has apparently had less success in radio -- for obvious reasons.

I suspect that you are 100% right.

John

And who is that?

You mean really really smart?

Bill

Amazing that someone talking about politics doesn't realize that BJ Clinton is the impeached (because of telling lies in a deposition as a court officer) ex-president of the USA.

John

Is it not WJ?

And you seem to have not responded to my previous post. I'll repeat it for you.

Bill

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Who is this BJ Clinton? And I would have thought that falsely accusing someone of murder in court or something like that would be worse. Planting guns and things like that too.

Are you talking about the law that was created in the 70s and maintained by Bush 1 & 2 and Reagan. Exactly how is Clinton worse than the others? And is this not an issue for Congress anyway?. (And did you not mention something earlier about following the Constitution?) So if you think this is the most horrible thing he has done, exactly what did he do? Be precise now.

Who is this person? Do you need to call people names to make a point? Is that because you have no arguments?

Your insight is amazing. So again you are back to his wife? What does this have to do with anything?

Did you say something about legal sophistry? He is a "known criminal" except for the minor point he was never convicted of anything!

Is Bush a known criminal in your view? DWIs etc.

Bill

I parenthesized Al Franken because I thought that Walz had such a short memory that he needed to be reminded that Al Franken works for Air America, the company that bounced the checks. He seems to place the blame for the check bouncing on the station owner.

As Walz has said many times, he believes the ends justifies the means. If Walz has to lie to gain his intended end, he feels that he is justified in doing so.

-Chuck Harris

That is exactly what I saw. You even explicity said that Air America bounced the check, but Walz has to lie.

John

if you are a liar, then so be it!!! (Example proof below, refer also to earlier context in thread.) You wouldn't comment on it, except the FACT that the observation about leftist dishonesty did hit a nerve -- and the fact that the left is full of viscerally dishonest people is true. It is only an observation that when you or a leftist cohort have lied about what other people say, that impeaches you and your friend. The proof is below again... You might associate with liars, and advocate liars, but that doesn't reflect on me :-). Perhaps the only negative reflection on me is ANY association with your "kind."

Again refer to the context, and incorrect characterization by one of your "Brian Fellows" style leftist liars:

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(Refer to context that was reinserted, after your grotesque and dishonest editing job. No claim was made that Al Franken, the Informercial host bounced the check himself.)

The idiot/liar Walz proves EITHER his inability to read text and selects limited context (which is incompetency) or is being dishonest (which is typical leftist visceral dishonesty.)

John

yes, the make up people have also gotten a lot better at hiding "anns" adams apple too.

Actually Clinton was a racist in Arkansas. He often used the "N" word to identify persons of color. I talked to someone that worked for him and he said both Bill and hill were "big time racists" further supporting the hypocrite charge made by Dyson. This man and his wife are opportunists in the extreme. Completely void of honor or any code of ethics.

If the left wanted to know why people like myself could not lower ourselves to accept these people it comes down to honesty. I was brought up believe that good was good and bad was bad.

Liberalism, MTV, pop culture, and political correctness have changed all the rules. Up is down, black is white, and there is no right or wrong. Criminals were not wrong they were just misunderstood. Society was to blame for homelessness and those who live generation to generation on welfare.

Then this sleazy man and his wife from Arkansas appeared out of nowhere to run for the highest office in the greatest country in the world. Those with a sense of decency and common sense completely discounted this charlatan as a complete phony way out of his league. Then it happened. All of a sudden this guy became a pop icon showing up on MTV acting more like an entertainer than a politician.

Bob Dole, although a fine and decent man was not hip or cool and could not compete at this level. He was old school, obsolete. The new pop culture was not aligned with the conventional politician. They wanted a rock star that could change the world. It was like someone dumped a million gallons of stupid juice into the nation's water supply.

Women fell for this guy like he was Elvis Presley. Didn't matter that he used women like a reprobate. He was handsome and charming. Women treated him like the bad boy that they could tame. In the end it would be the female vote that would put this man into office and before long the antics began. The Whitehouse was turned into Hade Ash bury and the hippies of the 60's were running the country and he oval office would become a sex parlor.

Conservatives were completely dumbfounded. Everything we believed in was turned upside down. A man we would not hire to do our windows was in charge of the U.S. Government and military. A man who loathed the military and authority was now in charge. To me this was like Charles Manson being paroled and assigned head of the DEA. How could a country come so far and produce a populace so ignorant and complacent that it could put a guy like this in office?

How could we come so far as a nation only to produce a populace that is too lazy to read beyond the headline or listen beyond the sound bite. Clinton and his crew would capitalize on this phenomenon early in their administration and began a regular program of disseminating sound bite attack mantras that began to be heard around every water cooler. A complicit press would reinforce the mantras and allow supporters to mutter these mantras without any cross-examination. You heard ridiculous statements like "Newt Gingrich wants to let Medicare wither on the vine". Or "Republicans want to starve school children". Carefully crafted does of little mantras went out weekly like clockwork attempting to capture the less mentally fortunate as minions to pass on the message.

Conservatives became infuriated that everything coming out of the Whitehouse was completely fraudulent drivel but millions were buying the spoon-fed propaganda.

Republicans were at a disadvantage dealing with the onslaught of lies and attacks. They operated on an old school belief that truth would prevail and everyone would see through the propaganda.

Today we see the same old Democrat assault on Bush. Concocted fables by democrats willing to sell out their own country, dignity, and honor to regain their power. It is back to good versus evil but unlike the stories our parents told us when we were young, good no longer trumps evil. It runs neck to neck as a lazy populace loses touch with reality.

---------------- All *I* removed was YOUR dishonesty, asshole!

-Steve

--------------- Only GOOD ends justify any means required to achieve them!

Rightist Capitalist Republican Bigot ends justify nuthin'!!

-Steve

------------------------- I didn't lie, YOU lied, you propagandizing shit, when you disingenuously took on Franken's opinions when the issue was unrelated.

-Steve