You don't have to kill people off to change their behavior. Armies and police forces exist primary as a deterrent to crime, not to kill off every potential criminal.
It's like barbed wire on the top of a fence. If it's intimidating enough, nobody gets cut.
John
It's like protesting budget restraint: if it's intimidating enough, nobody gets cut.
Cheers, James Arthur
He can't shut up everyone in the US.
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:06:29 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: [snip]
Been doing some research on it. Interesting how Kennedy, LBJ(sorry sob) and Nixon all used the Fairness Doctrine to harass TV and radio stations that ran unfavorable stories. I vaguely remember some of the news about LBJ(sorry sob) and Nixon.
Pelosi and Reid will have a field day and the tax payer will pay for all the legal expenses.
-- Joe Chisolm Marble Falls, TX
Extend Loehle's reconstruction from the time it covered to now with smoothed HadCRUT-3 and you will find the past decade warmer than the peak of the MWP. Loehle fails to make the hockey stick go away - merely puts a couple bends in the handle. The blade is still there.
- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)
How? The late 1940's to the early 1970's were the globally low phase of the multidecadal oscillation - and significantly warmer than the comparable stretch from 60 years prior.
- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)
This is an electronic technical group, please take your folk lore and GTFO.
Yep, Oz is having similar problems ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon/home/ncc/www/temperature/maxanom/12month/colour/history/nat/2007100120080930.hres.gif
martin
I have no doubt that we are helping to increase the earths heat, but nobody can say how exactly how much we are adding additional heat to the sun's increasing output to the Universe, in %.
greg
Too bad we don't have longterm (as in millions of years) data on solar output. I suspect that the sun is a complex chaotic system of its own.
John
And our survey says "Nothing to be learned here about weather, or anything else for that matter."
What do you expect with your small, closed mind?
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How's this?
John
It looks like 'Charles' is that part time NASA employee.
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If AGW is, as so many people say, no longer in scientific doubt, why keep faking the data?
John
To keep getting grants they don't deserve.
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The Register has previously atacked Nasa's GISS, including with HadCRUT-3V (as in their "A Tale of Two Thermometers" article,
The 2008 downward spike in unsmoothed HadCRUT-3v shown there has since been largely removed by the Hadley Centre, since as of early 2008 annual value for a year-in-progress was confined to considering the depths of the recent La Nina. Other than that, HadCRUT-3V and GISS agree much more than disagree, despite what The Register tries to lead one to think. One of the graphs as shown by The Register even has a typo in the numbers along half the ordinate that could assist their attempt to persuade some people to agree that NASA GISS and HadCRUT-3v disagree more than agree.
Meanwhile, both UAH and RSS determinations from satellite data show substantial warming trend from their inceptions around 1979. (Though The Register's "A Tale of two Thermometers" article with graphs of "temperature lower troposphere" determinations of those begin with the
1998 spike of the greatest El Nino on record and end with the dip of a major La Nina).So, I suspect that if HadCRUT shows global warming, then The Register does not dispute global warming by showing at one time when NASA's GISS is slightly more alarmist in determination of degree of global warming, and at another time when the one they like to attack had one month having a poor start in interpreting the data and reporting the interpretation, which they corrected soon afterwards.
The "A Tale of Two Thermometers" article that I cited above, as of
11/27/2008, is still available and still providing a link to a graph of global HadCRUT-3V (both unsmoothed annual and smoothed), directly from the Hadley Centre, and that has links further into stuff from the Hadley Centre. I would suggest checking that out, along with the less-processed HadCRUT-3 (used for and linked from the first graph in the Wikipedia article on global warming).- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)
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