Drill Now for oil

Please sign the petition to move the government to allow drilling in more areas. Mike

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If we don't, at least we'll leave it in the ground for later use.

John

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John Larkin

Actually, it's a damned shame that we just burn so much of it, when complex hydrocarbons are so useful for so many other things.

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The oil companies are only drilling on about 10% of the leases they already have. Let them explore the other 90% before opening more leases.

Secondly there is a shortage of rigs and equipment so even if you opened more regions, they wouldn't drill there for some time if ever.

We have to bite the bullet and develop alternatives, we have no choice. No amount of drilling will get us out of it because petroleum is not sustainable. It is a finite resource and drilling just postpones the inevitable but at great cost.

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I think high prices will at least reduce consumption. In fact it already has.

Bwahahahahahaha! Not ALL of us are dumb enough to live in the high population density coastal regions of the US. Most public transportation is a political boondoggle.

Grow up and study what ROI means. Personally I think whatever business that you are in should be limited to 2% profit... I want all the rest ;-) Get the picture yet?

That's happening. Notice how the Toyota Prius and like-type vehicle sales are booming... and truck and SUV plants are closing?

You know not of what you speak. Air quality is _dramatically_ better than it was in the '50's.

It is. Want to talk to my daughter, the water chemist who runs the labs maintaining the City of Phoenix water quality? She can tell you some things about bottled water that will make your hair curl.

We need to drill so we're not dependent on enemies for our necessities. Plus you probably have no clue how much you depend on oil for things other than transportation and power.

...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
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How about we:

get the American people off the oil habit, get public transportation working, get the millionaire oil executives out of our pockets, get the car companies to fulfill the promise of economical cars, get the air breathable again, get water drinkable again.

but they'll just do it your way.

donald

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Jim Thomps>Bwahahahahahaha! [...]

Typical Republican: Won't look beyond the top layer on public mechanisms. 8-| (Think: more person-miles/gallon==cleaner air and--for the folks who insist on a 2-ton chunk of stuff to transport a single person--less road congestion.)

Maybe it's just a stopped-clock-right-twice-a-day thing but last year somebody at Orange County Transit decided to NOT get rid of the buses they normally retire. Now, they have a reserve that they put to work at peak hours

--and the ridership numbers are definitely up.

You can't even crank up your car for $3--much less ride all day. They even had a give-us-a-try-for-free program.

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Japanese-manufactured. 8-(

..and people are parking their ridiculous vehicles.

Wasn't it you that was just talking about living in the '50s? Yup, that was you.

How about investing in efficiency & renewables FIRST?

Edison had compact flourescent giveaways years back.

Insulation subsidies would make more sense than most of what passes for a US energy policy.

With the amount of sunlight that impacts Arizona, it should be illegal there NOT to heat your water with solar. I remember whe I liked in Florida decades ago there was a guy in Coral Gables I'd see on the news who had a rig that had been operating since 1938.

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JeffM

That's a great _theory_, provided you somehow create significant rider-ship. You clearly have no idea of the population density distribution in Arizona... we're now above 100 miles west-to-east in the Phoenix metro area... mostly single-family housing.

It's a dense area that I feel is unfit to live in.

One model _does_not_fit_all_!

I can now drive cheaper than I can fly. AND be comfortable.

In Tennessee ;-)

As usual you have your leftist weenie head up your ass. '50's education WAS better, air quality was NOT.

Cars WERE more powerful ;-)

GE is developing more efficient incandescents.

My present house is 30% larger than my last, but costs 1/2 to cool, insulation IS generally better here than in other parts of the country where thinking seems totally inadequate: I was amused seeing on TV some crime situation back east... police car with hood up to avoid over-heating. Wonder why you don't see that in Arizona?

I do. And my pool. Though I do crank up a heat pump in the "dead of winter" ;-)

Confucius say "Man who live in Florida sweat without evaporation, and smells terrible" ;-)

It was 118°F in my neighborhood today... didn't get sticky at all ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Only if those areas were limited to the heads of people who advocate risking destruction of pristine wilderness and sensitive environmental areas so they can continue (for a little while longer) to drive oversized and obscenely inefficient vehicles.

I cast my "vote" today, by purchasing a 1999 Saturn SL1 which should get

35-45 MPG (as did my previous 1998 model that was totaled). And I still have my 1997 Saturn SW1 wagon that even now averages 34 MPG at 177k miles. And I have a 1989 Toyota 4WD pickup that gets 22 MPG which is OK on the few occasions I have need for that capability.

I also visited a local Saturn dealership, and remarked that their cars were leading the way for American companies to offer an inexpensive and fuel efficient vehicle - until around 2002. Then their corporate weenies decided to engage in horsepower and performance wars which resulted in a drop in their best fuel economies. The guys on the floor, the sales people, also lamented that fact, but they just work there. I think it's obscene that even their hybrid "crossover" vehicle only gets about 26 MPG.

Guess what was happening when these cars started being intoduced? Bush/Cheney in the White house, 9/11, and the invasion of the Arab world. Coincidences? I think not...

Paul

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I remember driving through Phoenix on the way to California. What was that sign I saw? 410th Street? Sprawl! Clearly due to poor government and poor planning. With fuel prices peaking, we'll see about the wisdom of that.

Yup.

Ah so.

You're inserting confrontation where none was intended. I'm saying let's move forward with all the science we've learned in half a century and develop some more technology then get it mainstreamed--using the gov't if necessary.

I never argued those points.

Needlessly. Conspicuous consumption. =2E..but it was kinda fun when gas was 27c a gallon, wasn't it? 8-)

Yeah. Like that.

The climate where I grew up was like that too. Florida was just a stop-over for me on my way to a Mediterranean climate.

My first hot day in California, I had this peculiar sensation. The skin on my arm was tingling. Figured it out--my sweat was actually evaporating!

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That would have been 410 Avenue, there is no 410 Street, but it's in the county, not Phoenix. Tonopah, AZ, on I10.

I have absolutely no problem moving forward with science. I do get heartburn over reactionary rather than scientific response to problems.

It was 19¢/gallon when I went off to college ;-)

I almost had heat stroke a few weeks ago while working outside on the pool timer... suddenly felt dizzy... beat it inside prontissimo ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Socialists refuse to recognize that the US is not built in a manner to make public mass transit practical for most people. It's just too big and spread out. Instead,they want to force a massive change upon the US people,at unbelieveable costs.

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I'm amazed to see the politicians go up to Michigan and pander to the unemployed, laid off workers up there all the while Toyota and Honda can't make enough hybrids to meet demand.

There are long waiting lines for these cars but I just saw that FORD is about to introduce yet another F150 truck! What is wrong with American industry? Why the hell can't they anticipate the way the wind blows and meet the demand? Why is it that the Japanese are ALWAYS at the forefront to innovation and change while the US decays? It's totally baffling to me.

Where is the Chevy Volt? Why is Detroit all talk and little do?

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Bob Eld

Yes. But there's plenty of coal and tar sand and such, so if we eventually go mostly solar/nuke/whatever works, forced by prices, we can still make stuff from the gunkier things. We waste a lot of plastics and such, and cutting back on a lot of that wouldn't be difficult.

The oil is mighty convenient, hydrocarbon already.

John

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Very nice! It's nice to see some responsible human beings. There should be restrictions on what the oil companies can do to the land. As human beings we should be a bit more considerate to nature and life on this planet, not our wallet and fast paced high-tech modern society.

Paul

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Suck CO2 and water out of the air and make anything you want - from alcohols to hydrocarbons to carbohydrates. Just add energy.

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Hey Jim,

I've been watching all this debate on whether or not we can "drill our way" out of this problem, and I keep coming back to the same thing:

We should build those solar-thermal plants and convert (eventually) our automobiles to run on electricity. Or even electric-hybrids.

This would (should?) put a serious dent in our dependence on foreign oil (for transportation). It would also create a lot of new jobs - (utility construction, underground gas/diesel storage tank remediation, battery manufacture, auto manufacture, recycling, electric grid upgrade, electric "refueling" station construction, and a host of other industries I'm sure I skipped..)

IMO, we need to make this a "TVA-type" effort. Even if it took 1% -

3% of our GDP (or more), if it got us off the tit of foreign oil, I'd do it. Oh, and it would be an instant boom to the Arizona Desert property values.

Whadda-ya think?

-mpm

p.s. - Does anyone know Obama's email address so I can send this idea to him? (Since he's going to be the next President...?)

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That would interest Barack Obama given he's a tech guy. Leo LaPorte, the Tech TV guy, was pushing for Barack on the air saying that Barack is the first presidential candidate to really get it, technology.

For now Barack needs to first get in office, so he's concerned with McBush.

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Very nice! It's nice to see some responsible human beings. There should be restrictions on what the oil companies can do to the land. As human beings we should be a bit more considerate to nature and life on this planet, not our wallet and fast paced high-tech modern society.

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I certainly agree. The land, water, and air are (or should be) protected by the ultimate owners, which are the people of the municipality, state, country, and the planet. Individuals and corporations may be granted certain rights and privileges of ownership, and pretty much anything that does not negatively affect the rest of us should be allowed. But this is complicated by the fact that many things are interconnected. If I drill for and pump oil or water on my own property, the oil fields or aquifers extend to my neighbor's property, and I will be depleting his supply if I pump out through a well on my land. And it may also cause subsidence, sinkholes, and other deleterious effects on other peoples land. If I pollute a stream on my property, it affects those downstream. If I burn noxious waste, it affects those downwind.

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So, we must consider ourselves, in terms of a global economy and community, as stewards of the natural resources we have on our planet, and the fact that one of us may be lucky enough to find something valuable that can be accessed from our own property does not give unrestricted rights to take such a resource without consideration for others that may be affected. The tricky part is determining the amount of the resource to be taken and the true effect on others. The devil is in the details. But we need to start thinking more cooperatively, and in terms of long-term sustainability and fairness to all inhabitants of our planet, and rethink the concepts of ownership which, if traced back, usually has involved forceful and immoral or illegal taking of what were once considered the homes and lands of others who simply lacked the means to protect themselves from being overpowered by supposedly superior invaders.

Paul

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Paul E. Schoen

I reported here, sometime within the last month, about APS and the several solar turbine systems they are building... one of which will come on line soon for consumer use.

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But crises must be addressed quickly, otherwise we'll have a deep recession (not that I care... consulting booms during downturns :-)

I think if Congress authorizes drilling it will spook the Arab countries and the spot market speculators.

Repeating myself... not that I care... consulting booms during downturns :-)

...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson, P.E.                           |    mens     |
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