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Article written a year ago explaining what is known about these jet stream blocks, which have been around quite a while but until recently were very rare.

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Another recent article out of JPL describes their research on atmospheric aerosols as having an "outsized" effect on the formation of these blocks. Burning stuff does the most to release the atmospheric aerosols. This would mean the rampant wildfires in the west are exacerbating these anomalies.

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Fred Bloggs
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The Globalists have got you right where they want you with their AGW BS. Wake up to the fact you're being manipulated by a bunch of filthy liars, FFS.

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Cursitor Doom

Actually, climate change denial is a propaganda exercise bought and paid for by the fossil carbon extraction industry (which actually exists unlike Cursitor Doom's mythical Globalists).

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Apparently the people who originally went into business to tell you that smoking wasn't dangerous to your health are now telling us that steadily increasing CO2 levels in the atmosphere are making the surface of the earth warmer.

Of course Cursitor Doom has found shockingly unreliable estimates of atmospheric CO2 levels from before 1900 which prove - to him - that CO2 levels aren't going up at all. The data from the Greenland and Antarctic ice cores doesn't support him, but since he's pig-ignorant he's happy to ignore it.

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Anthony William Sloman

You have that completely backwards, it's the big multi-nationals who've made you into a dupe. As this situation worsens and people start really suffering, as well as realize their old world is gone forever and the new one is uninhabitable, there may be a very real danger of you getting lynched in the street.

Big Oil’s lies about climate change—a climate scientist’s take

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Fred Bloggs

It's evil Exxon's fault that so many people drive cars. I assume that you don't.

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jlarkin

They did a LOT more than that. For one thing they conspired and succeeded in putting municipal trolleys out of business to force people into cars and buses. They lobbied for the subsidies that allowed trucks to put railway freight out of business. They've done everything possible to eliminate energy efficient transport of all kinds. They have had a hand in turning America into an sprawling wasteland of suburban development where a 25 mile one-way commute is more the norm than the exception.

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Fred Bloggs

Nothing whatsoever "unreliable" about - inter alia - the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Bill. And Lavoisier pretty much perfected the art of accurate atmospheric composition determination *well over 100 years* before the earliest figures Britannica quotes. But just keep consulting your wonderful Wikipedia (which any f****ng idiot can edit) if it makes you feel better.

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Cursitor Doom

The car companies spent quite a bit to dismantle suburban transit systems - electrically powered trolley cars running on rails. They bought them up and replaced them with gasoline-powered buses, which weren't as fast or as reliable. It sold more cars and more gasoline.

Ralph Nader spelled it out in "Unsafe at any Speed". He was more interested in the evil antics of the car companies than those of the oil companies.

Exxon's approach to climate change was certainly evil - and still seems to be be. They promised to stop funding climate change denial propaganda, but it looks as if they kept on doing it - if a trifle more covertly.

Electric cars are more efficient than gasoline-powered cars, but proper urban transport systems are a whole lot better than cars - for one thing you don't need to turn the central business district into a huge parking lot.

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Anthony William Sloman

Wet way chemistry isn't great way of estimating the 300ppm or so of CO2 in the atmosphere. Lavoisier wouldn't have had a hope of getting an accurate result.

Worse, the air that was getting sampled had very erratic CO2 levels. There's a reason that the CO2 sampling site is at the top of Mauna Loa - Keeling found that it was the only place where he could get stable and consistent CO2 levels. Australia now has a similar observatory on Cape Grim on the far north west coat of Tasmania, not all that far from where I grew up, because the prevailing wind from across the Indian ocean deliver a similarly consistent atmospheric composition.

You really are a twit. I got a Ph.D. in physical chemistry , which is all about making these kinds of measurements, and I've known about them for a lot longer than Wikipedia has been around. I've also seen Lavoisier's lab equipment in the Museum of Arts and Sciences in Paris.

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They didn't look well-adapted for atmospheric analysis. But do keep on trying to pose as an expert. It shows up how very little you do understand.

You have ignored the point about the ice core data, which show the fluctuations in atmospheric CO2 levels through about half a dozen ice ages and interglacials (from about 270 ppm during interglacials to about 180ppm during ice ages). It's now at 415 ppm and rising steadily. if your copy of Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't cover that, it's out of date.

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Anthony William Sloman

Your usual misleading nonsense. Electric cars require battery power sources, which at present are orders of magnitude less efficient at producing energy than refined petroleum - or better yet: diesel.

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Cursitor Doom

A work of art and a superb instrument for the quantative analysis of gases. If Lavoisier hadn't been an aristocrat and extremely rich, he could never have afforded to commission the building of it. As an aside, what did the Communists do to him for all his trouble - despite the fact he was on board with them ideologically? Cut his f****ng head off. That's the Communist mentality for you. The most brilliant scientist of his age but it counted for nothing as far as they were concerned. That's the very same mentality exhibited by the likes of Antifa and BLM, incidentally

It's not just *one* copy of Britannica. I have the 1911, the 1985 and the 2009 editions. Plus a shit ton of other respected encyclopedias including - inter alia - the Americana. Plus over 400 chemistry books from the late 1800s in digitised form on DVD ROMS. It's cost me plenty in time, money and trouble to accumulate this lot and they all agree on the salient point here: the level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained *constant* over the entire course of the 20th Century. All the CO2 produced over the most polluting century in recorded history has been absorbed by plant life in photosynthesis. It's a stable, self-correcting process requiring no intervention by humans.

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Cursitor Doom

In terms of fuel used per passenger-mile, cars are still the biggies.

Do you have a car? Do you drive it? Do you live in an urban center with a walking distance commute? Do you have job to commute to?

My commute, by car, is about 8 minutes. If I took public transit, it would take almost an hour each way.

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jlarkin

Have you considered publishing this data?

Most data on Global Warming is well published, like the ice core samples. Many deniers seem to make lots of noise but provide no evidence.

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Mike Perkins

I don't think it would do any good, to be perfectly honest. No one really gives a damn about evidence any more from what I've seen. They've all made their minds up one way or the other already and many of them flatly refuse to even consider anything which might challenge their beliefs. It really is quite extraordinary. I was always taught to keep an open mind on everything and I have always done so. I just find the attitude on the part of those with closed minds utterly unfathomable.

I can't comment on what the "deniers" have claimed because I've not read or listened to any of their statements. All I've seen and heard is the 'official side' of things, which didn't quite add up, and a load of unfocused noise from the opposition, which I didn't pay any attention to for years until finally I had the time to look into the matter thoroughly for myself. I've no idea what the 'deniers' claim and I'm not claiming that the planet isn't warming. It might well be for all I know. All I *am* asserting is that if there is any such warming, it can't be attributed to rising CO2 levels because they haven't risen one iota over the course of the most polluting century in modern history.

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Cursitor Doom

None so blind as those that do not wish to see.

Cursitor Doom thinks that we should al pay attention to the all-over-the-shop atmospheric CO2 levels measured before 1900 with the measurement technologuy then available and ignore the more recent measurements - those take after 1958 - which present a coherent story (if not the one he wants to believe).

Rather more open to denialist propaganda than respectable scientific data. "Keeping an open mind" shouldn't involve ignoring all the data you don't like.

You mind isn't so much "open" as "gullible" and what you see as "closed" minds are merely less susceptible to the kind of nonsense you happen to find attractive.

But you reproduce them very reliably. It looks as if you can't recognise denialist propaganda for what it is. It does claim to objective scientific opinion, and you have to be aware of what it ignores to realise that it is misleading propaganda.

It does a assume a certain amount of scientific education, which you clearly haven't had.

matter thoroughly for myself.

If you haven't had any science education, scientific discussions about scientific observations may not be all that comprehensible and may not look "focussed" to you.

Because you can't recognise them as deniers.

It is. It hasn't warmed up much yet - perhaps one degree Celcius - and stuff like the El Nino/ La Nina alternation and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation stick enough noise on the year by year averages that it wasn't obvious until the 1990's.

By ignoring all the evidence that makes it blindingly obvious that they have.

This is essentially a particularly heroic conspiracy theory which claims that the Mauna Loa CO2 level observation that go back to 1958, and the Cape Grim observations (which go back to 1978) are all concocted to fit some Globalist conspiracy to cripple the fossil carbon extraction industry.

It's potty, but Cursitor Doom is nuts.

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Anthony William Sloman

And so from the foregoing, ladies and gentlemen, we can see the utter futility of posting evidence in the hope of convincing those on the other side to change their views. We are living in a post-truth age where assertions are treated as of equal value to documentary evidence. Ergo, one might just as well make bald assertions instead of citing evidence, and thereby save heaps of time.

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Cursitor Doom

But, I didn't see any posting of evidence, just a mention of Britannica. No convincing occurred, but that doesn't show that posting evidence is not convincing.

No, we aren't. I can recall quite a few assertions without evidence that got challenged. "Stop the steal" being a case in point. "Lab leak" is another.

s /save/waste/ and it makes more sense.

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whit3rd

Cursitor Doom hasn't posted any evidence at all. He has posted a claim that he has " not just *one* copy of Britannica. I have the 1911, the 1985 and the 2009 editions. Plus a shit ton of other respected encyclopedias including - inter alia - the Americana. Plus over 400 chemistry books from the late 1800s in digitised form on DVD ROMS."

He has made it blindly obvious that he is incapable of understanding what they would have told him if he knew enough to read them with any insight, and he is happy to ignore the ice core data, which is a whole lot more informative.

Cursitor Doom is asserting that his bizarre collection of antique documents and his equally bizarre ideas about what they mean constitute the only sort of evidence that anybody should take seriously.

There's little point in citing evidence to "post-truth" crackpots.

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is an introduction to whole lot of different detailed discussions. Cursitor Doom probably wouldn't understand any of them, and won't bother to look at any of them.

I found it educational, but the training I got as physical chemist did give me a flying start.

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does spell out what people were thinking when they wrote the documents that Cursitor Doom seems to be failing to understand, and why it didn't make all that much sense at the time, which is why nobody took it all that seriously back then. It took years of Keeling's reliable observations to get anybody to pay an serious attention to the subject, and about 0.65 degrees Celcius of global warming to get it to stick out of the random noise.

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Anthony William Sloman

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