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This is insane, but it's typical of most such local temperature maps... temps are all over the place. In this case, the anamolous low temp is the official weather station at the airport; it's generally the highest or lowest in the region. The only one I trust is the 19F measurement, because my nearby RTD confirms it at 17.9.

How can any global temperature trends be resolved when local data is so weird? Satellite measurements are probably better, but they haven't been around long enough to define longterm trends.

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Differances in elevation? or even island effects.

I don't trust the satellite temps, they don't seem to match the ground temps.

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Martin Riddle

Don't know. Some temps are wildly different even though the stations are very close. If I drive around that neighborhood, my car thermometer shows some gradual predictable trends, a few degrees F, but nothing like what we're seeing here. But a similar map of, say, Chicago and its burbs will look equally squirreley. Official temps are often at airports, which are the worst outliers.

Truckee is often the lowest official temperature in the USA, especially in the summertime. There may be some fudging going on.

Temperature is hard to measure. Local variations, even within one room or piece of equipment, are considerable, and the instrumentation tends to be not trustable. Cheap thermistor and thermocouple and IR gadgets are all over the place.

Can satellites measure ground temp? I'd expect all the water vapor above the ground to confuse things.

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If politicians put their minds to it, salivating about all the extra dough to be fleeced, anything can be "resolved".

The only real indicator to me is the amount of heating fuel people need per winter, those that live in a house without major modifications over time and have no habit change towards higher room temps. In our case that has gone from a little under two cords per winter to five cords. Today I have to buy another load of pellets for the stove downstairs because for the first time in 12 years we are down to 12 bags by mid-January. It also looks like we' may run out of firewood this winter despite having bough five cords plus our own cuttings (about 1/2 cord). Oh, and we just found one of our sprinkler heads on the ground. It was all shut off but some standing water in the pipe froze and blew it almost 8ft away.

All this has never happened in the 16 years we live here. It's not that winters become much colder on average like this one, it's that they seem to become longer.

BTW, I was in S.F. on Thursday. Unfortunately didn't have time to swing by but found a super parking opportunity if anyone ever needs that: The Performing Arts Parking Garage at 360 Grove Street. $1/h, can't beat that. There are also not as many "interesting folks" milling about as at the much more expensive Civic Center underground garage, where I'd be a bit concerned about the well-being of my car. Oh, and I drove on Larkin Street, you must be quite famous :-)

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Ummm- different Larkin: "LARKIN STREET?This street was named after Thomas O. Larkin, who came to California in 1836 and was the United States Consul at Monterey when the Un ited States took possession. He was a member of the Ayuntamiento, or Town C ouncil, of this city, being elected thereto December 27, 1848. He was also a member of the convention that framed the first constitution of the State in September, 1849. He was one of the founders of the town of Benicia. He l ived many years with his family on Stockton street, near Pacific, in one of a row of three houses built there."

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weird?

Sounds like the east coast is getting hotter and dryer, and we're getting colder and wetter. Maybe.

There's a parking lot on Stevenson at Duboce, about a block from Zeitgeist, that's $7 for all day. The price is inverse on distance from Downtown. Of course, parking at 18 Otis is free. We have a dot.com apps startup squatting in the back now, so things are getting a tad tight. After they make their first billion or two, they can get their own damned space.

I'm Irish, and that other Larkin was Scots, but it gets me clout here anyhow. The Brat is E. N. Larkin, three San Francisco street names.

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Yup, we had all our wonderful snow melt over the weekend (Buffalo NY)... highs in the 60's (F) will do that.

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California in 1836 and was the United States Consul at Monterey when the United States took possession. He was a member of the Ayuntamiento, or Town Council, of this city, being elected thereto December 27, 1848. He was also a member of the convention that framed the first constitution of the State in September, 1849. He was one of the founders of the town of Benicia. He lived many years with his family on Stockton street, near Pacific, in one of a row of three houses built there."

Right, that's not me.

There's also a Larkin Valley not far south of here.

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weird?

It's "warm" here...

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That's ice on the surface of the pool :-( ...Jim Thompson

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Global Warming Has Increased Monthly Heat Records Worldwide by a Factor of Five, Study Finds

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weird?

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outliers.

No! Not an official US govt agency?? ;~( Back in the '70's ('80's?) the politicians in Phx thought Phx was losing summer tourists to Tucson due to their temperatures being 3-5 degrees cooler. The solution: move the official thermometer at Sky Harbor to a new location to lower Phx's reported high temps. Art

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All I remember (and I've lived here for 50 years) is that they moved the sensor from over a paved area to over a grassed area.

Still, typically, Tucson can be 5-10 degrees cooler (and more humid :) ...Jim Thompson

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I never knew the details of the thermometer move. I guess someone figured that grass was more representative of Phx than asphalt. That's not the Phx I know. I lived there for 13 years and in Tuc for 29 years. Art

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Yep. Should've been located over crushed granite ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Five, Study Finds

Well, something has increased heat records.

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John Larkin

Five, Study Finds

Concrete, asphalt, air conditioning.

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krw

f Five, Study Finds

That same headline would've been apropos 12,000 years ago too.

(Cold comfort to those woolly mammoths, though.)

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"John Larkin"

** Weather bureaus set up temp and rainfall monitors in order to accumulate daily records and as an aid to weather local prediction. Using the collected data for a purpose quite different from that originally intended is foolish.

Just like using a hammer to install screws.

.... Phil

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Five, Study Finds

More weather stations!

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Five, Study Finds

And crud:

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I've been saying this for years. CO2 is benign, even good, but particulates are nasty stuff. And we could control particulates without wrecking civilization and starving a third of the population on the planet.

Where's Sloman when I need to say told-ya-so?

This is hilarious:

?The fact that it?s written by a very large group of modelers gives it enormous credibility,? he said. ?It was lonely before. I?m now glad to be right in the middle.?

If modelers think it's so, it must be true.

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