See Bill Sloman, as I stated South of France being radioactive does not bother the French anymore, it is normal.

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In that case he must be quite sensible, rational and a very good person to have a beer with.

I'll have a beer with any one on Jim's list, that will be a lot of beers.... dunno about dimbulge though, there are limits (:

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Actually, I'd like to see him come to Florida and tell all the tribes they don't exist, and that they have to give up their protected land, and government assistance, as well as all their casinos. They would scalp him, then give him an enema. After letting what was left dry out, they would mail what was left to his family in a standard airmail letter, with room left for the hearts of 1000 lawyers. Florida is full of Native Americans, and the ones I know despise today's Europeans.

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I have now fixed it so you can have a beer with yourself ;-)

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And who really cares about your not really important block list,

1) Jim T 2) nobody and Florida

Come on , you don't own this NG, Doctor Who and the Daleks are more important than your block list.

Oh I forgot the :) sorry

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Late at night, by candle light, Jim Thompson penned this immortal opus:

Source? Not doubting, just curious.

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It was covered by our leftist weenie newspaper, The Arizona Repugnant, but buried deep in section B.

Fox News also covered it.

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"The Tuwaitha nuclear complex was dismantled after the 1991 Gulf War. But tonnes of nuclear material remained there under the seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), until the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq when it was left unguarded and looted by Iraqi civilians."

Then, of course, the professional looters got around to it. ;-)

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Tell that to Mdme. Curie.

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That's how you find radioactive contamination: easily. It's the chemical stuff that's insidious.

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bother the French anymore,

for the next 1000 years,

That is a lot of liters. 12 g per liter is a fairly high amount of uranium per liter. It was spilled on the ground not directly into the river(s). No one can calculate risk in a reasonable way without knowing the isotope percentages, and the ground perfusion rates. Even knowing this little i expect it to be a very local (a few square miles / hectares) class issue. Nearly nothing compared to Chernobyl, perhaps comparable to other more direct spills.

Still very ugly to be honest.

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What isotopes are involved that have that fast of a decay rate, and what do the decay into? And what do the emit during decay? Use a search engine for known isotopes and decay rates.

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Thirty or more years ago really liked kippered herring. Used to eat it every chance i got. Haven't had any for over ten years. I think i have some in my cupboards though. I still eat smoked oysters.

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yearly

It burns rather easily though. Part of the reasons the US military abandoned DU in favor of hypervelocity techniques.

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They are rather frangible don't you think?

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compared

yearly

Several reference say that the major hazard from DU is its chemical toxicity, not its radiation. But lead is much more toxic.

John

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bother the French anymore,

for the next 1000 years,

Gosh, lots of numbers. Can you explain what they might really mean. Like what does a Curie (Ci) mean in terms of "allowed maximum exposure". What is a "Bq"?

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As I recall, uranium tends to bind to things. Soil's CEC (Cation Exchange Capacity) should hold on to it, at least for a while. Low CEC and acid rain (which are often more than coincidence, because acid rain reduces CEC) will be more of a problem. Uranium, when it gets into solution, tends to stay in solution pretty well I think. It also tends to stay out when it doesn't want to go into solution (e.g., UO2 is really insoluble). An interesting element to be sure...

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I'll try. I don't do this for a living.

Ci and Bq are measurements of radioactive decay, where 1 Bq = 1 nuclear disintegration per second. This is different from the counts per minute on a Geiger counter which can generate multiple counts from a single disintegration, and also has a sensitivity factor to consider. Curies and Bq are directly related to the amount of radioactive material involved. Counts per minute are not. It's the rate, not the energy.

Radioactive "strength" varies with the type of radiation, exposure time, distances, occupation, and political orientation. The old system used Rads. The new is Gray's. (I'm still using Rads and Curies).

1 Gray = 100 Rads = 1 joule absorbed per kilogram of body mass. 1 Curie = 37 GigaBq

Radiation damage potential or "dose equivalent" is measured in Sieverts, which includes fudge factors for the particle energies. This article cover the exposure basics and issues (for Canada):

Note that radiation damage is heavily dependent on the type of radiation and the energy involved. Alpha particles are just going to bounce off the skin. Accelerated heavy ions will turn you into Swiss cheese.

List of exposure limits in sieverts:

I won't pretend to understand how to calculate exposure and exposure limits as it involved considerable physiology and biological effects. For example, here's a very good attempt at untangling the muddle:

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bother the French anymore,

for the next 1000 years,

wines,

Feasable but not very rewarding. Uranium is fairly common in the environment but it is mostly well spread around as a trace constituent in everything. Decent quality minable ores are quite rare and prized.

This is essentially correct. Uranium and daughter products are a lot more common than most people imagine. And modern analytical instruments are so sensitive that detecting uranium in most drinking water is easy.

Natural Uranium at an average 2ppm abundance in the crust is fairly common. That makes it more common than rare metals like tungsten or molybdenum. Thorium (10ppm) which also weakly radioactive is roughly 3x more common than Tin (3ppm).

I would be a lot more worried if they had lost waste Uranium solution from inside the fuel cycle. That tends to have all sorts of nasty hot fission impurities in it. Hanford is the canonical example of a nuclear cess pit. Although I am sure there are worse ones in the former Soviet Union.

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And the biologicals are worse. The most toxic and the most carcinogenic substances known are made by bacteria and molds.

John

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