OT: This is why there are "denialists"...

That, and the fact that the warmingists point out that your denial is based on stupidity and ignorance.

More stupidity and ignorance

"assuming carbon dioxide emissions caused by human beings cause global warming =96 still more theory than fact"

when the theory behind anthropogenic global warming is better establised than Newton's theory about universal gravitation (which Einstein falsified a few years ago) in the sense that it hasn't been falsified yet (and, no, a couple of years of short term global cooling doesn't falsify the theory, as opposed to the straw-man versions of theory which we have seen around here).

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Yup, the true believers will ignore their frozen asses and the upcoming ice age. Never mind the weather....

Dimiter

It's likely that few of the people voting on the bill will have read much of it. It's possible that *nobody* who votes on the bill will have read all of it. It's insane, just more pork. Spain has demonstrated the real value of throwing money at "green" jobs.

Obama and his boys are The Original Amateur Hour. Bungling fools.

John

Or, it provides a better solution in the event that we realize the effects of AGW are different that we think they are now. The marketplace will determine the best allocation of capital as the cost of mitigating (or not) greenhouse gas emmissions.

The radical greenies like absolute prohibitions written into law. These become very difficult to overturn or modify when it is discovered that their original science was flawed.

We won...you lost...get over it.

TMT

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The "science" that predicts an upcoming ice age is more than a little flakey. Since the discussion is about the long term prospects for the global climate, rather than this year's weather, it is entirely appropriate to ignore to minor perturbations in the current weather - nobody's ass is freezing yet, and there's not much chance that it will for the next thousand years or so.

As Bill Ruddiman points out, the next ice age is somewhat overdue already, but our ancestors have already done enough anthropogenic global warming to counteract the rather small Milankovitch forcing that's going on at the moment

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

It's not over, and it remains to see who lost. The only clear winner is the teleprompter industry.

John

yes, but you were playing 'Russian Roulette'.

Which "upcoming" ice age? We're leaving one right now.

I find that "We won...you lost...get over it" attitude truly hilarious. The biggest losers in this fiasco will be the very people who voted for the Obama-nation.

...Jim Thompson

More like the socialist version of Cheney/Bush.

The big losers are, of course, the wage-earners, and those of us who love and support the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

Thanks, Rich

They learned their tactics from the Church of Antismokerism.

Thanks, Rich

That will include 'The Mangy Troll', or as they call him on RCM, The Mangy Fool. After all, there are never too many tools. Just those who aren't man enough to use them.

The aussies aren't as gullible...

John

But the marketplace isn't being allowed to on account of 'subsidies' and 'rebates'.

Maybe but we could still flog the current crop of greenies with a lash. It could become a town / city centre weekly attraction like the stocks of mediaeval times.

Graham ( once a greenie when it meant something valid and still very pro energy efficiency )

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I LOVE going to pubs and clubs and not having to inhale or get in my eyes second-hand smoke plus not having to put the clothes in the wash directly after.

Graham

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Thanks for another nail in AGW's coffin, suitably bookmarked. Now it's time to persuade at least one of major UK parties.

Graham

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Mind you, Spain has some interesting other 'green technology' in its infancy. They're in the right place to make good use of solar energy

and no I don't mean silly PV panels.

They will still need to get the cost down, mind but not by nearly as much as PV.

An HV link across the Strait of Gibraltar might bring low cost electricity from N Africa too and help develop their economies.

Graham

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And this is exactly what's wrong with the party system, especially where there are only 2 powerful ones with directly opposing views. It only guarantees wasting money.

Try this for an alternative idea.

A friend of mine suggested a similar concept some 30 yrs ago and Switzerland for example has many more decisions made by the public than politicians.

Doesn't seem to have done them any harm does it ? Shame the US didn't adopt it more comprehensively.

Graham

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