OT: Here comes da Judge

This is not really the place for this Peter but I did chime in. The rate would be a lot lower if more people could carry guns. Ex. The rape rate in the UK is double the rate of the US and is rising. In every state in the US that adopted a Right to Carry law violent crime decreased. Also look at the country of origin of those convicted of homicide in the US. It's bad science to cherry pick your stats.

Not true. I have been in Switzerland. They *do* have the ammo, in a locked ammo box. In each and every house.

Joe Gwinn

You're dense as a rock. You're taking an ALL-USA number, when you should be comparing state-by-state, or even city-by-city over here.

Chicago has the highest murder rate by gun... and the "toughest" gun laws.

But, hey, come on over. I'll take you on a tour of the south side of Chicago (or Detroit, if you like), then leave you there to find your way out >:-] ...Jim Thompson

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I've got no detailed knowledge, but from what has come up in the newspapers since I've moved back, I think the answer is that if your symptoms are flo rid and your represent a danger to yourself and other people, you will be l ocked up in an institution and put on a drug regime that gets your behaviou r under control, after which you will be released to be looked after by you r friends or relatives, or to a half-way house where you will be loosely su pervised by some kind of health-care professional.

We get occasional nutters wandering down the streets of Sydney muttering to themselves, and there are occasional reports of ostensibly stabilised psyc hotics killing one or more family members, so it's pretty much like the UK was when I was living there, or the Netherlands.

By and large, you won't freeze to death if you are a homeless person sleepi ng rough anywhere in Australia, but urban councils still try and keep track of the homeless and try to move them into shelters.

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No he shouldn't. You can buy guns in the US out of town and out of state, a nd everybody does. It's a national problem.

Which you can get around by going outside Chicago to buy your gun.

US gun availability is determined by what you can buy in the least regulate d states. Local gun regulation is determined by local reactions to local ev ents - and it isn't surprising that more gun murders create pressure for be tter gun regulation. Sadly, the only form of gun regulation which would wor k would be country wide (and they'd still come in illegally, as they do in Europe, but at least there there's enough regulation to significantly reduc e the number of guns around, and the gun murder rate).

Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson advertises his intellectual limitati ons once again. He's not as dense as a rock, but since he doesn't use his b rain to think about stuff outside of electronics, his opinions aren't all t hat useful.

On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:35:23 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman Gave us:

Though you most certainly are. He filters me, but I think far more of him and his accomplishments and stance on things, than I do of you and your pathetic view of the world.

--- Guns don't defend themselves, people do.

Self-defense isn't just the act of putting down an adversary, it's engendering an attitude and an aura which will make the potential adversary think better of his attack and desist from its execution.

If a physical weapon can help to bring about that transformation, then that's not a bad thing.

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--- You paint a grim picture, based on statistics, and yet never state the odds?

If you were a bookie you'd go broke!

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--- Considering that the number of guns in the US is slightly greater than its population, correlating the number of deaths by gun here to those where firearm possession is prohibited might be interesting.

Since you seem to claim to be an authority in that vein, how about clueing us in?

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--- Being an armed rabble saved us from the Borg.

-- JF

On Monday, 2 September 2013 05:41:58 UTC+10, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wr ote:

Your certainy may be admirable, but it's unlikely to be well-found.

And me. Not an intelligent way of dealing with opinions you disagree with.

His accomplishments are considerable, though not all that remarkable. He do esn't compare himself with the real giants of integrated circuit design, li ke Bob Widlar and Barry Gilbert, but people who work with integrate circuit s tend to notice the difference.

His stance on things is that of an Appalachian hill-billy. He has revealed enough of his family background to make it clear that his family were well- off - as Appalachian hill-billies go - but just as culturally impoverished as their poorer neighbours.

You may find it more attractive than my "pathetic" view of the world, but t hat's your problem - Jim's point of view doesn't seem to stretch to process ing numerical information about how society works in practice, which probab ly saves him a lot of effort, but means that his ideas are depressingly out of touch with reality. You may share his preference for living in some inv ented cloud-cuckoo-land, but don't expect people to take you seriously when you tell them your favourite myths and legends.

I've figured out why socialists, liberals and leftists are for gun control....

After being perfect pushy assholes all their lives, promoting the most idiotic of utopian worlds, it's suddenly dawned on them that, when this fiction of a give-away government crumbles, they're going to be the target. ...Jim Thompson

Well, that's roughly how it's supposed to work in the US, but doesn't, due to a raft of laws and regulations more or less requiring that even the barking mad be left in the general population, even if they refuse to take their medications, at least until they commit a major crime.

Joe Gwinn

The same way as in during Prohibition? When will people learn that banning things just places those same items on the black market? Black markets tend to be full of violence from illegal cartels.

When was the last time you saw shops selling cigarettes bombing each other? Perhaps we should move forward rather than living in the dark ages of Prohibition?

The evidence is that they remain in the general population. Sometimes they're sent to The Netherlands for long periods of time.

You're a liar, Slowman. Nothing new, here, though.

More lies. It's easier to buy a gun *IN* Chicago than outside.

Absolutely clueless.

Slowman, when lacking a good argument, resorts to name-calling just like Larkin. All mouth, no brains.

I invited you to the US so we could show you our "hospitality", but you've been no-show... what-sa-matta, yellow? ...Jim Thompson

In 1987, when Barrie was ill and couldn't cover a seminar at RMIT, who did he ask to cover for him? Guess? Come on, guess! >:-] (You do know of RMIT, don't you? Over there in Melbourne.

...Jim Thompson

On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 19:59:45 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz Gave us:

Yes. And if you are trying to get it illicitly and hide it, it is even easier to get one in Chi town via the criminal, black market channels. This is true of any major US metropolis.

On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 17:54:07 -0700, Jim Thompson Gave us:

Instead of shot noise, he has 'tosh' noise?

Am 01.09.2013 20:07, schrieb Joe Gwinn:

You are wrong. The ammunition-boxes were abolished in 2007 and all existing boxes were withdrawn.