Lithium batteries, not worth it

Flails remove grain from grasses; CO2 levels have varied, as the Earth has aged. Those 'ages', in geological time, are not so short as the timescale on which human interference has operated on greenhouse gas levels.

Spin doesn't save us from dire consequences; real action is required according to our best information, and real costs of coasting along without a plan are much greater than the costs of regulating our atmospheric additive habits.

Get real.

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whit3rd
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That's essentially what fracking is, with the coal left in the ground.

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Rod Speed

You get real. China and Africa and India want power and they are going to get it, mostly from coal, a lot of that Australian coal. Your driving your Tesla won't change the temperature one nanokelvin.

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John Larkin

Depends on what is meant by syngas. Coal gas is a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide, making it a favorite of suicides. They had to find something else when the switchover to natural gas occurred. Natural gas from fracking is mostly methane.

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rbowman

Sound like another narrative to me.

And opposite to the narrative is that food production is actually up. Hmmmmm.....

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T

And somehow, the opposite of the propaganda narrative of the Alarmists, the Earth did not become Venus.

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T

China is currently getting a lot of it's electric power by burning coal, mostly mined in China, though some of it comes from Australia.

It invested hugely in setting up to manufacture high yield solar cells at ten times the scale that anybody else had, and now produces most of the solar cells sold around the world - it's actually working hard to reduce it's dependence on coal and other fossil carbon fuels. It's installing a lot of solar cells to let it do that. China is close to food insecurity, and climate change might well push it into starvation.

India and Africa are also going to need more electric power. Local solar farms are a lot easier to fit into the social and commercial structure than huge central gas or coal-fired power stations, and you can skip the high voltage distribution network. Wind turbines and grid scale batteries require bigger chunks of capital than roof-top solar and domestic batteries, but still much less than central power stations and a national distribution network

Driving an electric car uses energy. If the battery is recharged with renewable power getting that energy won't raise the CO2 level in the atmosphere. Internal combustion engine cars don't offer that option.

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Anthony William Sloman

CO2 levels are only one of the factors that influence temperatures. The difference between an ice age and and an interlglacial is as much due to the high reflectivity of the ice sheets that cover the northern parts of the northern hemisphere during an ice age, as to the drop in atmospheric CO2 levels from 270ppm during an interglacial to 180 ppm during an ice age.

There is no published propaganda narrative about the Earth ever getting into a state like the one that prevails on Venus. The climate change denial propaganda machine invents a lot of nonsense and this is presumably more of that nonsense.

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Anthony William Sloman

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alan_m

Coal gas is never called syngas.

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Rod Speed

China has terrible air pollution. India has the same. Both have no plan to continue with coal indefinitely, and both are well aware of the downsides of burning. China's final ratification of the Paris accord was 3 September 2016, and India's was 2 October 2016.

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Africa... isn't a nation, it's a continent, so it isn't gonna be as easy to show that the Larkin blather is wrong on all counts. It's clearly not right on all counts, though.

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whit3rd

There is no organization called 'Alarmists', no propoganda narrative cited, and Earth becoming Venus is a ludicrous suggestion. Climate change is real, and ludicrous suggestions don't impress; thermodynamics wins again.

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whit3rd

The term is equivalent. Feel free to be enlightened by this little gem.

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Fredxx

Propaganda. China is building two new coal power plants a week.

Signing treaties is cheap.

Coal is the major energy source in Africa. Look it up.

Africa has the world's lowest per-capita energy use, and that makes people poor. Fortunately Africa has a lot of natural gas resources, which China apparently does not. Or more likely, China has a lot of NG that hasn't been discovered or exploted yet.

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John Larkin

Building coal plants is a slow process. Each new one was started years ago. They are closing down less efficient old plants as fast as they can - the more efficient new plant's still emit too much CO2, but a lot less per kilowatt.hour.

Treating an ageing population for the consequences of air pollution isn't.

Of course it is. But it isn't providing much energy.

Why would they dig it out to make expensive electricity when renewables produce electricity more cheaply? They went straight to mobile phone, rather than making an unnecessary investment in local land lines.

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Anthony William Sloman

"Not to be confused with synthetic gasoline. Syngas, or synthesis gas, is a mixture of hydrogen and carbon monoxide, in various ratios."

"Syngas is produced by steam reforming or partial oxidation of natural gas or liquid hydrocarbons, or coal gasification"

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"The original coal gas was produced by the coal gasification reaction,[2] and thus the burnable component consisted of mixture of carbon monoxide and hydrogen in roughly equal quantities by volume."

A rose by any other name...

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rbowman

You're still doing Imperial gallons, right? The speeds in this state may be a little higher too. I guess what corresponds to a single carriageway is typically 70 and a motorway 80. Build up areas are variable, anywhere from 35 to 55.

Then there is the distance at a particular speed. Last weekend I did a loop including the two closest 'cities' (12,000 and 33,000 population) and spent most of the trip at 70 or 80.

While I didn't buy it based on fuel economy I'm quite happy with the Yaris. I've had 3 so far. The first didn't survive a head on with a snowplow. I traded the second, a 2011, when I couldn't resist the deal on a leftover 2018. 2 door hatchbacks don't move in the US and I believe the

2018 was the end of the line for Toyota, at least in this country.

Peugeots and Renaults haven't been imported for years and I have no idea what a Skoda is.

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rbowman

The old BBC mysteries had murders performed with coal gas. Or guns. Now they have to use poison or push people off roofs.

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John Larkin

Skoda is a car manufacturer based in the Czech Republic. It is a wholly owned subsiduary of Volkswagen. I have owned a Skoda EV (Enyaq) for about

18 months; SWMBO has a small Skoda petrol car for 12 years.
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charles

Nope. The gas produced by fracking is nothing like coal gas.

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Rod Speed

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