Lithium batteries, not worth it

Apr 14, 2023 Last reply: 3 years ago 310 Replies

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Not to mention the carbon cost of all the helicopters land rovers and service boats needed to access them

He is of course talking bollocks, otherwise a 30 tonne truck would use the same amount of fuel as a 2CV Heavy vehicles use massive amounts of energy to accelerate or go up hills which you do not all get back in the reverse direction, and the rolling resistance is not far off proportional to the weight. Every time you use the disk brakes, energy is lost that will never be recovered, too.

Then you have no understanding of electrochemistry

Silver is a better conductor of electricity but

But batteries even with lithium do not have 'adequate' performance. And nothing is 'sustainable'

We are all surfing the Big Bang entropy wave to eventual heat death.

You are wasting your time - nuance doesn't work with him. Like a lot of people here, reason goes out of the window as soon as certain buttons are pushed.

The fact that Lithium occupies a position in the periodic table that makes it THE best metal to use in battery chemistry, in terms of energy density, makes no sense to someone who has no concept of inorganic electrochemistry, yet will gaily parrot the received unwisdom of the great renewable fraud.

Anyone can repeat a lie. Understanding the current 'truth' of science and applying it to every day problems is far far harder.

And yet we've achieved so much. Most of the world speaks the language we invented.

Utter bullshit. Nothing can be better until we think of it, right.....

Airplane, ROTFPMSL! Do you also say airdrome? Airfoil?

My neighbour's wood burning stove smells bad enough. Do not suggest such things to him.

Shall I cycle 500 miles to my Aunt's house this summer?

The fuel obviously.

Uranium is just as rare as other things.

We need thorium ones or something.

Not everybody pays the taxes, but it's still tough going with so much competition.

The Feds used to use Flir cameras to look for the IR signatures of grow factories.

I might gently suggest that you are repeating yourself.

It's just another Germanic dialect with a lot of vocabulary taken from French. As a language it isn't anything special.

The English contribution to it is isn't exactly dominant either.

It is spoken by a lot of people - more than Chinese, which may have a common writing system (which is hard to learn and hard to retain), but is actually a bunch of mutually incomprehensible spoken languages.

Read "Finding The Mother Tree." Cool book.

CO2 levels have flailed violently over past millions of years, with no humans around.

Leaving aside carbon-neutral synthetic fuels made from agricultural waste and atomospheric carbon capture, which are perfectly viable alternatives:

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Plants will adapt to using more CO2 to grow faster. Farmers and ag colleges will breed them to do that.

You do understand that an electric motor can be used as a braking system, recovering energy which is stored in the batteries.

Trucks have been using engine braking for decades to save wear on the brake system; the same concept applies to electric trucks, and as a bonus, that energy produced by the motor while braking can be stored for subsequent use.

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Lithium has an atomic weight of seven - its the third element in the period table and the first one that can e used in a battery, which means that it weightless than anything else per unit charge. You also get a fairly high output voltage from lithium cells. \\

It's got a lot going for it.

Wrong. There a more potential lithium ores than we now mine,and we haven't found all the de[posits of the ores that we currently mine.

The price per ton peaked last November

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but has gone down by a factor of three since then. New mines are a lot of the reason for the fall.

Minerals markets are prone to this sort of excursion. A high price opens up old - more expensive mines - and once they are producing again the price falls.

Not exactly true.

The most recent big excursion was 55 million year ago

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and seems to reflect volcanoes erupting through methane deposits.

There certainly weren't any humans around then, but the current excursions are clearly all our own work.

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A place seems bigger when the roads are so slow.

There have been a number of alternative types proposed and tried in the lab, but they don't necessarily have the cycle count. Maybe a battery with a silver electrode, would give 1000 cycles. Whereas the Lithium ones are around 5000 cycles.

Each battery type has a spider diagram.

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Some artists are better than others.

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The spider diagram notes the characteristics in graphical form. It's because of the spider diagram, and having to "optimize six parameters at the same time", that we're not buried in battery alternatives. Yes, there is battery hype, to encourage venture capital investment. But generally the things are announced, before their spider diagram is production ready.

Paul

Certainly a local shop was recently raided, as it was selling black market cigarettes from a hiding place behind a set of pull-out shelves.

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