Idiots

Come on, Dave! 'Fess up, you've _never_ever_ listened to Fox Talk. I listen via the Web using my Roku Soundbridge...

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Try it for a week, then tell me what you heard that was biased (except for John Gibson... he gets his jollies from "N-word" baiting, though I can't really say his questions are biased... he's just drawing out and demonstrating their ignorance... especially amusing when he asks _why_ they voted for Obama ;-)

Hell... Fox even carries sickening liberal nutcase Alan Colmes...

had taped to his body.

What horrifies me is that an engineering graduate from a top UK university can't even make a decent bomb.

And after all the pacemakers have exploded and metal fillings in people's teeth turned red hot...

On the whole conspiracy thing, I wonder how many AQ cells are actually CIA run in order to sweep up the wannabes and get them to set their balls on fire in mid flight.

had taped to his body.

Perhaps his degree was in Computer Science.

Jon

PeterD wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

dozens of holes,and the cabin pressure regulator would just close up a little bit,it's huge compared to 0.5" bullet holes.People probably would not even notice a pressure drop.

Witness that Aloha flight that lost a fair part of it's skin and still landed with only one casualty;an unbelted flight attendant who got sucked out when the skin peeled back.

all the really important stuff has backup systems,and is UNDER the passenger deck,while bullets would be flying in the horizontal plane. and the odds of hitting and actually damaging anything critical are TINY.Don't forget that there's all sorts of baggage and shipping under there,too.

I can't recall how many people have tried to use the "explosive decompression" fallacy to support their position! ;-)

Besides,then why did authorities begin using Sky Marshals with handguns loaded with Speer Gold Dot JHP ammo?(they know they might have to shoot THRU a seat back or bulkhead.)

Once it's well known that armed people are aboard,then the chances of successful hijacking are too low and thus are not attempted.Terrorists move on to softer targets. You can get armed people -at no expense- if you allow ODCs with carry permits to fly with their weapons. Maybe after an extra class on airplane defense.

What authorities are loathe to admit is that FEW flights in the US actually have Marshalls -on board-,there's too few to cover the 25,000 daily flights.

PeterD wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

THEY failed,but the next guy may not. They DID succeed in getting their bombs on board,and "detonating" them.

LUCKILY,their bombs didn't work. Just good LUCK.

But searching old ladies and making everyone go thru lengthy lines is ridiculous;they need to PROFILE and closely search the most likely suspects.

On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:29:12 -0500) it happened PeterD wrote in :

Actually, come to think of it, there have been several fatal crashes due to decompression. One big one was IIRC a DC10 that had the cargo door pop out, the pressure difference broke the floor, ripped the control cables routed in that floor, and it crashed. There also was not so long ago a small private jet, it depressurised, the crew got unconscious, it kept flying on auto pilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed. Then a year or 2 ago a Greek plane decompressed and crashed with all passengers aboard. I am sure there are zillion more cases.

Jim Thompson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Actually,OBAMA and the DemocRATs have been far better at spreading fear.Just look at their healthcare work("1000's of people are dying without healthcare"...),and the carbon controls issue;"oh,the ice is melting...." and they are SUPERB at telling the public they are doing one thing,and then doing the opposite.LIARS,plain and simple.

Dave wouldn't know "spin" if it fell on his head.

these idiots can't discern between news reporting and opinion pieces.

the OTHER networks don't even bother with differentiating between opinion and reporting;they put their opinion into every "report",without any disclaimer or notice.

On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:54:22 +0000) it happened Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote in :

had taped to his body.

Well, not enough practice lessons I guess:-)

had taped to his body.

Mine was in physics, and I could have done a lot better even as a teenager.

had taped to his body.

The rumor is that the HE was PETN. Why he would want to inject some other chemical, given its already adequate sensitivity, is beyond me. And if someone gave me that mix, I would at least want to test some of it beforehand.

decompression.

difference broke the floor,

Yes, but that was not a bullet hole. I guess I wasn't as clear as I should have been.

got unconscious,

The golfer, forget his name... Something went terribly wrong, but the plane didn't suffer catestrophic damage until it fell victim to the effects of gravity...

aboard.

Again, the plane was basically flyable, but the crew was not!

But if we go back to the original point, that a bullet hole will cause a plane to explode because it is pressurized, I think we can safely dismiss that is very, very unlikely, based on previous experience with bullet hole riddled aircraft. You would have to hit something vital to the functioning of the aircraft, such as a non-redundant power source. And non-redundant, critical things on aircrafts are not common.

But...

It sure looks good in the movies!!!

How can we know? In most cases they well might be unexplained, especially if over water. But we do know it has happened, at least one time.

WHat is worrysome is that there are few if any ways to 'test' for explosives such as this...

Personaly I think that we should all be required to fly in the nude, with NO carryon baggage allowed. That would resolve so many things, eliminate virtualliy all risks... A simple metal detector for internal metal would suffice.

Next we'll be seeing bombs either swallowed or surgically implanted.

On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:39 -0500) it happened PeterD wrote in :

I do not think tha tever was the original point. Not even in Goldfinger.

Myth Busters tried it. A bullet hole will not cause structural failure in an airliner. Nor will anyone get sucked out through a small window.

This guy appeared to have been quite bright and from a good family if his educational record and background checks are to be believed.

But he obviously didn't tick the boxes on the US Visa application marked "do you intend to overthrow the government of the USA or assassinate the President?". It is a standing joke in the ROW that only an American would be dumb enough to tick those boxes. It is rumoured that Oscar Wilde wrote in earlier days "Sole purpose of visit" in answer to this question. AFAIK no US president has been killed by a foreigner to date.

It is an insane question since there are two possible outcomes to an attempted coup. Either the coup succeeds and the question is irrelevant or it fails and the perp gets another 5 years for not answering a Visa question added to his 200 year or death sentence to run concurrently.

So clearly despite him being on a UK no-fly terrorist watch list the US authorities were quite happy to let him fly to the USA.

What I find more amazing is that he went through Amsterdam Schiphol - there are full bodyscan booths on most UK flights and I assume on US ones too so it is amazing he got through. Having said that they are nowhere near as sharp as London Heathrow. US carriers have insane levels of personal details they demand ages in advance so there are serious questions to be asked about why the dozy bastards did not notice him.

But I could not get a credit card through at Schiphol, so body moulded PETN seems highly unlikely to get through iff he went through the right scanners. And someone on a terrorist watch list should be getting *very* well checked. There is a clear systematic failing somewhere that needs sorting out for all our sakes.

One way tickets are always suspicious. You said you wanted profiling.

If you carry unusual things in handluggage, or travel strange itineraries these days you will flag up as suspicious.

Pretty much. The authorities have to be on their guard all the time - as the IRA famously said "we only have to get lucky once". And they damn nearly did with the highly sophisticated Brighton conference bombing.

The most important thing to find out now is did he go through the right sort of body scanner and if not why not?

Schiphol had the right kit and operators trained to use it so why didn't they see the problem before he left the ground?

Regards, Martin Brown

On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:30:29 +0000) it happened Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote in :

Goldfinger was big and fat, so it was a big window, else he would not have fit through it. :-)