Idiots

Seen the walk-in explosive detectors they have around the Statue of Liberty exhibit? The type that puff your clothes and work out the composition of your last spray of beauty product.

They don't have those in many airports yet. Maybe they should....

But I have a cheaper alternative.

A chamber constructed of a few tons of reinforced concrete and lead is placed just after the departure gate. Each passenger walks through it, one at a time, and is quickly subjected to various EMC and other stimuli that would naturally set off their explosive device if carrying. The innocent pass through unscathed, and the miscreants would be immediately caught and dealt with.

Oh, where is that Patent brief....

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Adrian C

Aren't you looking forward to nationalized health care and Nanny State socialism?

Remember that Roosevelt's "2nd Bill of Rights" was never actually passed or even voted on.

It's just creeping on in!

As you said, the third search presumes that the first two were incompetent!

It's just proof that the bureaucracy itself is self aware of it's own incapacity.

On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:05:02 +0000) it happened Adrian C wrote in :

Well, he mixed the explosives in flight it seems, so the ingredients may have been hard to trigger, but you could kill innocent people with a pacemaker for example.

What I find a bit hard to swallow is that they keep him in a hospital... I would question him, let him suffer, and then shoot him, after all he tried to kill more then 250 people.

I do not like all that security stuff. There is always a risk in life, more people die in traffic each year..

I know Schiphol airport pretty well, worked there too. Had security clearance too. Strange they did not check anybody at that gate, maybe just a metal detector.

The Feds clearly screwed up on this one.

So the response? Start doing their jobs properly? No, of course not; their response is to inconvenience us more, to make it look like they know what they're doing.

John

"John Larkin" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Great make all this public knowledge, now the terrorists are better educated.

And what about Nigeria, and Amsterdam? Everything status quo?

Cheers

...or they could stop lookin for STUFF and start looking at PEOPLE

--the way they do at the world's most secure airport.

Well, he mixed the explosives in flight it seems

I doubt it.

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Sure. The solutions are too simple: 1) Profile people and 2) give everyone a tire iron. In this case #1 would have caught the asshole and if not, #2 would have made sure he didn't survive to try again. He'll likely get a show trial and conjugal visits, instead.

I agree. They are idiots.

I got caught at an airport the day they caught the liquid bombers. Huge queues and utter chaos. On that morning 1 terrorist could have wiped out thousands in an over crowded airport.

TSA is not about terrorists. TSA is for prevention of trivial accidents and liability lawsuits.

If he was a terrorist, that plane won't land. He is just another amateur madman. However, it is a good question why amateurs started causing so much trouble.

Socially conscious, environmentally friendly, equal opportunity... other restrictions apply... you know.

They searched you every time because they had to search somebody. Since you had been searched already, you are already pissed off. So it is better for them to search you again then to piss off other customers.

BTW, during the Soviet war in Afganistan in 80x, there was no single terrorist attack on Russian land or Russian vessels.

Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

"It's our fault..." "Terrorists are just misunderstood..."

Russians aren't known for their coddling of terrorists. There weren't many Russians kidnapped in the middle east, either. They really don't give a damn who's "fault" it is or what "they understand". "They" will understand dead relatives.

I coudl be wrong, but I don't think he got out of his seat to do it, and as well, neither did the previous failure, either.

See where the flight came from...

Well, actually they probably were, but then again, so probably was the third...

krw wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

TSA is a fine example of how US Socialist Healthcare is going to work.

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Jim Yanik
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TSA is a complete joke. They have zero imagination, which is why this crap happens in the first place.

A couple true "horror" stories: Both on recent flights in to/ out of DCA

Got to Reagan National, and when x-raying my camera bag, they claimed they could not "see" through the camera lenses with their x-rays? Huh?? That's got to be total bullshit. The solution: x-Ray them 3 times. I guess magically they can see through the glass on the third attempt. (?)

Also, (same security guard)... I had forgotten about the restriction on liquids through the x-ray machine. Turns out I had purchased a soda out of a machine not more than 50 feet from the security line. The guard said I had to ditch the soda (or drink in on the spot) because it wasn't "cleared".

Again, huh?!

So, it's OK to have a non-cleared soda available for sale 50 feet from the x-ray machine, but I can't take that same soda 50-feet in the other direction? I guess Diet Coke bottles make good directional projectile explosives.??

And of course, it begs the question why the rest of the sodas in the airport weren't similarly "cleared". More likely, NONE of them are cleared, and the security guard was just babbeling off a whole bunch of nonsense. Personally, I've never see any TSA agents checking out the food stores, execpt to shovel their fat asses with high-carb food.

I guarantee you security can be easily breached at ANY domestic airport with extremely little imagination. Bottom line: If you think you are safe as a result of TSA security, you're crazy. They may indeed provide the illusion of safety for jello-minded people, but that's about it.

pacemaker for example.

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I once had one of those checkpoint guards do some extra screening on me... He sat me down in a chair, had me raise each foot, and he would waive a wand around my shoes checking for metal. Of course, the chair was right next to a metal filing cabinet, so the wand would sound every time it got between my foot and the file cabinet. (Duh?!)

The solution: x-ray my shoes multiple times.

I did try to explain to the guard what was going on, but he was a clueless automaton. As I suspect most TSA personnel are.

I don't feel particularly safe having them on duty. Poorer, as it relates to taxes, but not safer.

Huge waste of taxpayer money.

-mpm

Martin,

The terrorists could educate our security personnel!! Only, they're too fat and lazy to pay attention. (and/or too stupid for the training to take hold).

I heard on FOX News that some "former government official" said his seat choice was no accident - it was near the fuel tank.

Jesus Christ, has anyone at Fox ever flown Delta? Those guys can't even manage to stop selling the same seat twice (to two different passengers!) If anybody thinks the seat was purposely "selected" to do the most damage, they clearly don't understand how the system works (er, rather doesn't work).

Beyond which, the notion of seat selection ascribes to the individual in question a certain intellect not demonstrated by his inability to detonate the device.

..THAT solution is tooooo simple for government types...

Robert Baer wrote in news:LqadnZrkH7yNR6vWnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@posted.localnet:

It doesn't have to be that massive. All that's needed is to contain fragments and vent the blast up and out of the building.

And a system to wash down the passage before the next passenger uses it...

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Jim Yanik
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Jim Yanik takes an example of a thoroughly capitalist airport security failure - the airports don't pay the screening staff enough to make it an attractive job, and have them working long shifts so that it is hard for them to keep their attention on what they are doing - and uses it to predict how the prospective changes in the US health care system are going to work.

Since the obvious planned change in the US health care system is to make sure that more people have health insurance, it isn't obvious how this is going to make the hospitals work worse than they do at the moment.

More health insurance probably does mean that more people will go to their doctors as soon as they feel sick, rather until waiting until they feel so sick that bankruptcy is the lesser evil, and this may put more pressure on primary health care, but since it is usually easier and quicker to treat people when they first get sick, the hospitals may well end up with less to do.

Europe spends about half as much per head on health care as the US, and getting at the patients earlier may be part of the reason, though most authors think that the US wastes more money on roccoco administrative schemes aimed at saving the insurers from losing money on patients that they used to be able to shed when they started needing their insurance (which is a trick that the planned changes are supposed to be going to block).

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen