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You don't. You use dynamite to blast holes in the rock, and set the poles. The poles are marked, R.I.P., for "Replace, In Place" to let a line crew know that they can't simply drill a new hole next to a damaged or undersized pole.

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Michael A. Terrell
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Not very long - they stick a load of little concrete posts in the ground above the cable, each concrete post has a metal information plate stating gas, electricity, water or whatever + any other info roadworkers/engineers might need.

Funny thing though - they don't get damaged everytime someone drives an overheight truck through town.

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Ian Field

Sacramento and Bakersfield, or even Fresno.

Tehachapis, HSR means a high speed detour to Victorville and San Berdoo. Even the Mt. Diablo/Mt. Hamilton range is a daunting obstacle to HSR's serving the Bay Area.

Modularized passenger service by flatbed over the Grapevine. Passenger modules would be loaded back into rail cars in Santa Clarita. Passengers with time on their hands could spend the day at Magic Mountain before reboarding.

Bakersfield to Mohave via the Tehachapi Loop, to Palmdale to Santa Clarita. If that routing makes more sense to you, fine. (I was joking about Victorville to San Bernardino.)

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Jim Thompson

You are pretty much stupid.

That would be a charge back to the company that damaged the wire.

I've seen underground electric service for a mall fail because heavy wind blew enough snow through the vents that it melted & filled the conduits.

It is here, as well. The outages are from drunks shearing off the power poles, or hurricanes which would flood underground electrical distribution in most of Florida.

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Michael A. Terrell

I *highly* doubt they're watertight to 10', or more.

It *can* be done. HV lines under water can be done. The point is that it is

*expensive*. It doesn't pay, for most applications. Where the lines are underground it's primarily for aesthetic reasons, not practical.

Sure, the higher the voltage the cost goes up substantially. Even some of these HV lines are buried, it's just insanely expensive and isn't often worth the expense. I know of one that went under a lake, instead of over it because the poles were taken out by ice one year. The state forced them to submerge the replacements. Again, it wasn't a cost analysis, at all.

The point is that almost the whole country is "sparsely populated", by your standards. Those places that aren't (and even many that are), generally have new installations put underground.

The issues are *well* understood by everyone in the business.

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krw

I have never heard of that happening in the US.

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Michael A. Terrell

Its cheaper in the long run when you take into account redneck/hillbilly crane drivers ploughing through a towns overhead cables and yanking all the pole pigs off their poles.

Nearly every cop chase TV show has at least one meth head chopping down a power pole with a stolen car.

We even have as many as possible of our very few pole pigs within fenced off areas - and we don't even have that many meth heads.

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Ian Field

The nearest 400kV national grid transformer to me is just beyond the outskirts of the estate where I live, and on the highest ground in town - in fact the whole town would be submerged by the time water was lapping at the transformer foundations.

By which time, there would be "crush-depth" issues in the next town along.

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Ian Field

Oh yeah.. that happens so often that it validates the extra cost. NOT. It is not cheaper and never has been.

What a retarded aggrandizing, lying dork you are. I doubt you could find even one. And cars and power poles and chopping off do not mix without 90+ mph collision events, and the car is STOPPED after that and the pole is usually NOT "chopped". I know this because I have seen it up close. And it also usually takes a Cadillac sized car to do it.

You also have a wholly bent perception of reality.

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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

Maybe more frequent is meth heads chopping down power poles with stolen cars - we get a lot of American cop chase TV shows over here.

Apparently the Aussies have similar power pole problems - but at least they build theirs stronger.

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Ian Field

So you're saying that you know more than the engineers who do this stuff for a living?

...even where there are underground utilities.

No, you give them heroin, instead.

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krw

Perzactly.

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krw

Do you have any idea just how many power poles there are in the US, and what miniscule number are taken out by criminals?

Stronger than prestressed concrete or 1-3/4" wall thick steel pipe that's 36" in diameter?

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Michael A. Terrell

The Aussies tend to use 2 poles & crossbar - you pretty much have to take out both poles to bring it down.

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Ian Field

Sacramento and Bakersfield, or even Fresno.

Tehachapis, HSR means a high speed detour to Victorville and San Berdoo. Even the Mt. Diablo/Mt. Hamilton range is a daunting obstacle to HSR's serving the Bay Area.

Modularized passenger service by flatbed over the Grapevine. Passenger modules would be loaded back into rail cars in Santa Clarita. Passengers with time on their hands could spend the day at Magic Mountain before reboarding.

Bakersfield to Mohave via the Tehachapi Loop, to Palmdale to Santa Clarita. If that routing makes more sense to you, fine. (I was joking about Victorville to San Bernardino.)

Too big to succeed.

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krw

You must have *SERIOUSLY* shoddy engineering if meth heads can drive stolen cars into your underground utilities!!!

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Ian Field

Certainly a lot more than we have bears & other furry animals getting fried on our underground cables.

And our overhead cables are mostly too high up for vandals to do any serious damage with an air rifle.

I wouldn't mind seeing how the costs tally up for the fleet of helicopters to inspect those overhead cables we do have, in some areas they have to use larger helicopters carrying water tanks and jet wash compressors to clean the bird shit off the insulators.

Somewhere down the line there has to be a break point where it would have been cheaper in the long run to bury even the highest voltage cables.

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Ian Field

They aren't meant to be car killers.

Why didn't her insurance pay it?

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krw

Or some seriously drugged up druggies, or even some *SERIOUSLY* drugged up script writers. I let you have another chance to think about this. ...but you gotta promise to think before opening your mouth. I know it's hard, but try.

The other thing I find amazing is the serious penis envy from those in RightPondia. Are you really Eeyore?

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krw

Don't let the facts get in the way of your fantasies.

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krw

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