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Whatever you say. ;-)

bunch of a*hole anyways.

Yep, they had these things fifty years ago. The trucks used to be in our neighborhood almost every night, resetting these things. The development grew quite fast, at the same time electricity demand was growing even faster. The transformers didn't keep up and in the summer a few would blow every night around supper time. The transformers had overload lights on them and every one in the area ( a square mile, or so) was lit. I once asked my father (a power engineer and EE prof) what the lights were for. His answer was that they were to tell you that the power company was making money.

...and a lot of fuel, one supposes. How much did you lose in Fay/Gustov/Hanna/Ike?

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On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:42:25 -0500) it happened "Tim Williams" wrote in :

I can follow many of your arguments, but the economic damage from power interrupts is vast. Also expensive is if you have to 'rewire' your over-ground net after every storm, while here that never happens. For longer distances we have masts that are higher than the trees, so falling trees do not damage the power lines. And the masts very rarely get damaged by weather. So I still think US has some work to do:-)

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Jan Panteltje

interrupts is vast.

storm,

You assume that you're smarter than the utility companies. That's a *big* assumption, since they have all the data.

trees do not damage the power lines.

I want to see your 150' "masts". I think you have some learning to do.

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krw

Your utility paid for SmartMeters via job elimination?

While amazingly shallow, LA is NOT nowhere. :)

In reality, high speed rail will excel at shuttling people between Sacramen= to and Bakersfield, or even Fresno.=20

But unless people wanted to spend trillions of dollars blasting through the= Tehachapis, HSR means a high speed detour to Victorville and San Berdoo. E= ven the Mt. Diablo/Mt. Hamilton range is a daunting obstacle to HSR's servi= ng the Bay Area.

What would make considerable sense is a version of what Amtrak does now: Mo= dularized passenger service by flatbed over the Grapevine. Passenger module= s would be loaded back into rail cars in Santa Clarita. Passengers with tim= e on their hands could spend the day at Magic Mountain before reboarding.

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On a sunny day (Sun, 08 Jul 2012 11:06:00 -0400) it happened " snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote in :

Since when am I a socialist? And paranoid? I do not smoke or grow the stuff. I think the ones that do now use their own RTGs ;-)

(After the helis with IR detectors went after them).

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Jan Panteltje

Which makes a $500 back up generator purchase a trivial decision to make.

Ok, so no dope... lemmie guess. Someone as dumb as you is on the steak pyramid scam bandwagon!

You are that asshole who goes around selling triple overpriced steaks, right? so that $12k stock is really only worth about $3k.

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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

I'd call the supplier (the one you've been dealing with) to see whether it's their doing. You might also consider writing a letter or e-mail, to develop a paper trail in case things get dodgy.

Most likely, it's not going to be a problem. Still, taking a few simple steps now could help avoid having to prove you didn't OK the change, if it ever comes to that.

You might also want to check with neighbors or your municipal government to see if there's any sort of scams going on.

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On a sunny day (Sun, 08 Jul 2012 11:55:33 -0400) it happened " snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote in :

interrupts is vast.

storm,

trees do not damage the power lines.

Actually we use meters, makes all the diffrence, try it some time ;-)

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Jan Panteltje

All of this is true. However, we do have buried service for water, gas, and sewage. Granted, elevated sewer lines would be pretty goofy.

WRT the trenching and servicing costs, the city did come through the neighborhood a couple of years ago to refurbish the sewer lines to support a vacuum sewage service. They replaced the traditional gravity pumped system and that meant trenching, doing whatever they did to the lines/valves, and then paving along the curb line down all of the streets. Whatever that fraction of the cost was that was spent on trenching and paving it wasn't too much to pay for, well, shit.

So we'll pay for buried sewers but not for electrical service? Is it just (or largely) the cost of the cables, where elevated high voltage lines can be isolated (partly) by distance but a buried cable needs to withstand decades of burial with HV conductors in close proximity and in potentially waterlogged soil? The cost per foot of that cable grade is surely much higher than sewer pipe or the elevated HV service lines.

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Rich Webb

You're addicted to OPM.

"What? Me paranoid?"

And their own power source is going to do exactly???

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krw

interrupts is vast.

storm,

trees do not damage the power lines.

You put your meters on 150' masts? Your meters are 150' tall?

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krw

Probably. It's not a conventional corporation...

The Salt River Project (SRP) is the umbrella name for two separate entities: the Salt River Project Agricultural Improvement and Power District, an agency of the state of Arizona that serves as an electrical utility for the Phoenix metropolitan area, and the Salt River Valley Water Users' Association, a utility cooperative that serves as the primary water provider for much of central Arizona. It is one of the primary public utility companies in Arizona.

Sure it is. And airfare is said to be cheaper, and flights more often.

and Bakersfield, or even Fresno.

Tehachapis, HSR means a high speed detour to Victorville and San Berdoo. Even the Mt. Diablo/Mt. Hamilton range is a daunting obstacle to HSR's serving the Bay Area.

Modularized passenger service by flatbed over the Grapevine. Passenger modules would be loaded back into rail cars in Santa Clarita. Passengers with time on their hands could spend the day at Magic Mountain before reboarding.

Gawd! Another f...ing socialist without a brain. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

But who wants to go there? Silicon Valley, that's where the music plays.

For many, many years it'll be the train to nowhere, highly subsidized, if they finish it at all. But it will have created a ton more in pension obligations.

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Yo, Jim, still there? So was it RF in the end?

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David Lesher wrote in news:jtb0kg$8iv$ snipped-for-privacy@reader1.panix.com:

That would mean that each individual meter can read and store data from other nearby meters,and transmit it. I don't believe that to be true. Maybe the NODES can,but not the home meters.

"twin *ground* planes",or twin planar antennas?

(flat,rectangular antennas...generally used for RFID interrogation and reading)

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Jim Thompson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

who really believes that there's going to be enough traffic between LA and northern California (and in-between)to break even on the HS rail system? Here come the endless subsidies.(IOW,more taxes)

I guess LA really does think it's the center of the universe.

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Jim Yanik

I had assigned "asshole-of-the-nation" status to Boston, but I believe it's been moved to Californica. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

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Hey man, like the 70's are over man. You cynic :-)

bunch of a*hole anyways.

power.

Never lost anything. We had a transformer go bad across the street, I got out my first generator (had to assemble it) got fuel and got all my freezers working. My wife and I went out to eat, two hours later my new generator failed. Luckily the transformer replacement was completed about 4 hrs later. The NEW generator was about 3 years old by the time I used it. I found an overheated winding in the generator stator. I removed it and wound a new one, varnished it and baked it in the oven while the wife was working :-). It worked fine after that, but I sold it and bought a Miller welder with an 11KW AC output. That reminds me, I need to run a load on that for an hour. Mikek

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amdx

They don't need to store the data, well, any longer than it takes to store-and-forward it. Meters do operate this way (self-healing mesh).

AKA "patch" antennas. Also commonly used for ISM (both 900MHz and 2.4GHz) antennas.

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krw

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