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That's being silly. The communists tried to suppress the reports and they insisted the virus was not transmissible for weeks after they knew it was. They ejected reporters; they summoned and silenced those trailblazers who dared discuss it; they withheld critical information from international medical teams sent in to help.

Those are all objective facts from public reporting. Weighing those facts is not "paint[ing] fear," etc., it's common sense.

Cheers, James Arthur

They certainly weren't perfect. Being afraid to tell truth to power leads to imperfection.

Being afraid to tell truth to power leads to imperfection.

Not all of 'China', population 1.4 billion, was involved in those events. China's policy now (and for some months) has been open and supportive.

Of course samples were destroyed; they're infectious material, you've GOT to destroy those or use elaborate precautions to store them. The pandemic means samples are not in short supply.

Not really; the Trump administration CLASSIFIED some important meetings, and four congresspersons that did stock trades coincident with getting secret briefings are now in hot water. Brilliant, that was not. Administration by competent personnel seems to be happening in China nowadays, and fumbling is happening in the US. Maybe you're taking the Trump rhetoric too seriously, it's hard to trust him after his lies about (for instance) Obama's birthplace.

There is one absolute power in China. Who is going to tell truth to the Party? Bad things happen to people who try that.

Multiparty democracy is messy, but it's hard for the Blues to keep scandals secret from the Reds.

Yes, the Reds are much better at getting away with their scandals.

Apparently the reds classified meetings that wouldn't normally be classified.

N.B. I've given up following Trump's idiocies in detail since I can't do anything about them and they only affect me indirectly. I hope.

Anything juicy gets leaked fast.

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that it come from China is an excuse for them to invent their own.

re are no more deaths.

attempts to do that, and kicks news reporters out of the country to be sur e they don't get their story heard.

outside world gets to hear, but there are ways of getting around that.

have disappeared, and a drop in subscriptions has not occurred before, let alone 21 million:

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ferent cell phones for use at at home and when at work. If China is locking down on one cell phone per person (which is used to identify and locate th em all the time) it's easy enough to see how a lot of second cell phones mi ght have get retired.

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making the associated data consistent with the doctored data, and its rarel y worth the effort.

lace with your own bizarre inventions, which isn't helpful.

Well, rabid idiots like YOU want to believe Chinese data w/o qualification. This sudden disconnection of a massive number of phones is yet another ind icator that the Chinese are doing what they do extremely well: LIE.

I don't trust the current claims that there are 93 new cases some days, zero some others. They reported zero for a couple of weeks of March. That's absurd.

Common sense is old fashioned. Nuance has replaced it.

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There are actually regulations prohibiting the classification of meetings j ust so they won't be accessible to the public, but hard to enforce. Classi fication is supposed to be about secrets important to the national defense. lol Not the re-electability of the President.

That's not at all true. The Chinese have not reported zero new cases any day since this broke. They have reported zero new cases in WUHAN. In fact, I saw something where they are thinking about removing some of the restrictions in Wuhan.

Try to get your facts right. They do make a difference.

You're wise to ignore the constant nattering, since most of it's not even remotely true. Nearly every darn gripe you see printed, when you check the facts, ain't true.

We've been bombarded with the stuff since before he was elected.

I was fully prepared to dislike the man, but, to my surprise, he's proved excellent.

Cheers, James Arthur

I don't like him, from a personal aspect. I wouldn't want to have him over for dinner. He's a braggard egomaniac and kinda boring. But he has common sense (rare these days) and makes unusually sensible decisions.

Being in politics for decades warps a person's judgement. Swamp capture effect. He was an amateur, which is refreshing.

As Trump himself has said, he is a quick study. I think he mastered the swamp capture effect before he was even in office.

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More like swamp captured. The republican party puppets him by guiding what they expose him to for *his* decisions. They saw it as an opportunity to get the dumbfuck to do all kinds of stupid republican party crap and if called on it, they can point at him.

The updated numbers today for the total infections in the US show the curve is starting to trend off the 20-30% growth rate. Monday and Tuesday saw 9 % increases, Wednesday saw 21% and Thursday 29% making me think we were rig ht back on track. But the number released for today shows a 9% growth in t he new infection rate. The average over the work week has been 15%. Still lousy, but better. Now it takes 5 days for the new infection rate to doub le rather than 3.

Unfortunately this buys very little in practice. NY is already overloaded and having to share ventilators which is far from optimal. In a week they will need to put four or five patients on a ventilator.

I think if I lived in New York and I got sick, the first thing I would do i s to head for a more southern state and check into a hotel. Then if I need ed a hospital, at least I'd have a chance at getting a bed I didn't have to share. Richmond would be a good place with decent hospitals and only 6 ca ses of the disease.

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Briefly, early on. The twits that did it seem likely to be punsiehd for it.

James Arthur would think that. The US now has more case than China, despite having been warned in advance, and having Italy as an example of what happ ens if you don't go in for social isolation early on, and South Korea's exa mple demonstrating that fanatical contact tracing and isolation of all poss ible contacts really does work.

The Trump adminstation is up there with the ayatollahs in Iran as the peopl e who have he done worst job of coping with the epidemic.

Trump has been persistent in praising himself for his performance, but that never stops, and has nothing to do with the quality of his performance.

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The lower level functionaries who tried to suppress information that was go ing to complicate life for the Wuhan administration were communists - you d on't work in that kind of job if you aren't. The idea than you can sweep a problem under the carpet isn't restricted to communists.

That approach didn't last long - loads of dead people and overloaded hospit als make it impractical.

Early on. Trump's initial responses to the epidemic weren't all that clever either.

Selecting "objective" facts and presenting them out of context is simple an ti-communist propaganda, and you know it, and are lying when you claim that it is "common sense". It's actually malicious nonsnense, and you spread a lot of that.