nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:11 AM:
Note the key sentence:
"unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or workmanship."
I think that is what Apple has said is happening to their batteries. Aren't they fixing this problem in newer phones with better batteries. If the old batteries aren't bad, why would they need to fix them?
nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:02 AM:
So they don't work "fine". My understanding is if Apple didn't install software to throttle the CPU the battery would cause the phone to shutdown. That's not working "perfectly fine".
You clearly don't understand the technology. If Apple had known of the problem when they designed the phone they would have used a larger battery with a higher maximum current. Then as it wore it would still power the phone at 100% capacity past the end of the warranty period.
nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:02 AM:
You completely ignore the issue. CPUs overheating mean the CPU cooling is not designed appropriately. Just like the cooling in a car. If I drive and my car overheats the problem is the car wasn't designed correctly or is broken. Cooling systems should be designed to cool the thing they are cooling.
What? You aren't supposed to play games on a computer? LOL
They also don't run the same sort of programs as PCs. But they are computers and need to be designed to keep cool when being used and not to burst into flames because someone played a game too long.
Or it can be designed with adequate passive cooling.
Or better, cooled.
!@#$%^ apples and (*&^%$ oranges! That batter warranty (if it exists): Has not one damned thing to do with the vehicle warranty - and must be pursued separately from the vehicle warranty if a claim is necessary. Why are you so dense as to not "GET" that?
Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
This Warranty does not apply: (a) to consumable parts, such as batteries or protective coatings that are designed to diminish over time, unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or workmanship; ...
it's a standard disclaimer.
it's not a pointless test.
there's a big difference between a battery that's at 95% capacity after a year (well within normal range) versus one that's at 60% capacity in the same time frame, or has swollen or some other defect.
it's not a defect in materials or workmanship.
*all* batteries degrade over time. there is no getting around that, at least with today's technology.maybe at some point in the future there will be an eternal power source that never wears out. that time is not now.
no.
they do work fine.
it's also something that happens to every other battery operated device when pushed hard enough.
far more than you do, and unlike you, i understand that *all* battery powered devices are affected, not just from one particular company.
larger batteries cost more and take up more space.
mobile devices are highly competitive and users don't want big bulky phones, nor do they want to pay for battery capacity they won't end up needing.
most people check email, text, web surf, etc., hardly cpu intensive activities, so a high capacity battery would be wasted.
the battery is more than adequate for the vast majority of use cases.
apple could have made the iphone the size of an ipad to hold a very large battery, but it wouldn't have sold particularly well.
everything has tradeoffs.
again, this has nothing whatsoever to do with warranty periods.
i'm not ignoring anything.
if you drive your car in extreme situations, it likely will overheat, possibly with other failures too.
you can see these people on the side of the road on hot summer days.
nonsense. games are extremely popular on mobile devices.
yes they do. the obvious ones are email and web browsing, but many people also edit photos and videos on their phones.
and they are.
it is, but everything has limits.
right, because a phone with a large heatsink sticking out the back and a fan that's always on will sell.
not.
So you don't even have a dog in this race.
Of course, now the battery must support the fan as well.
Each phone will now come with a Beanie including solar cells and a wind turbine, a fanny-pack for the battery, and a tump line for the phone itself. They will throw in the blue-tooth earpiece for free.
Go figure.
Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA
nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:44 AM:
Yes, because there is something *wrong* with their car, not because it is expected for cars to stop working when it is warm. *Your* car didn't fail did it? Did everyone's cars fail? No, only the cars that had a defect.
If your car is under warranty and it overheats on a very hot summer day, do they say, "Hey, it was a hot day"? No, they fix it!
So it is reasonable to expect a mobile device to run games without overheating? If not, then it sounds like mobile devices are real crap!
None of which will cause a mobile device to overheat. Why are you just disputing everything I say without paying any attention to the context?
Yes, and those limits should be beyond anything a user can do. It's very easy. Every CPU has a figure for the maximum power dissipation. The phone needs to be able to dissipate that much power or the CPU will overheat. Isn't that easy?
You clearly know nothing about designing mobile electronics. I'm done with this discussion with you.
nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:44 AM:
Yep, all batteries degrade with time and use. But the batteries in question degraded more and faster than Apple expected requiring action on their part after the sale.
nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:44 AM:
"unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or workmanship;"
Enough said.
A diagnostic is used to catch eminent failures or batteries that are degrading faster than expected. It is not the criteria for replacing a battery. If the battery won't operate the phone as the phone was intended to be operated, it doesn't matter what the diagnostic says.
Done here. Argue with yourself.
It's still covered by a warranty, why are you so dense you don't GET it?
I'm done these pointless arguments.
nothing is wrong with the vehicle.
there isn't anything to fix.
they run them perfectly fine.
editing videos certainly can.
do you even own a smartphone?
there's a *lot* more to it than just that.
far more than you do, that much is clear.
good.
exactly the point.
no they didn't.
they are well within normal expected range.
yes it does matter what the diagnostic says. that's why it's called a diagnostic.
and the battery is *not* degrading faster than expected either.
Which has nothing to do with the phone. You keep conflating the two.
He does, it's just his dog lives under a bridge. ; )
That's your trollish assumption. Repeating it doesn't make it factual. There's no actual evidence that Apple's batteries degrade faster than others.
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