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How would you know - would like to nominate the area of expertise where you knew so much that you trapped me in a superficial error?

In fact the stuff that I do read fast is stuff that is designed for easy reading, mainly novels and marketing crap.

Serious stuff gets read repeatedly and cross-referenced until I really do know what it contains. I can go from an application note or a published paper to a working circuit in a working system, and you don't do that by single-pass skimming.

Judging from the stuff that shows up here, you don't do it at all.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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My favorite is ~2" thick boneless rib eye.

But I use a temperature probe to ensure I accurately hit 130°F in the middle even when using the outdoor grill.

I pull them at that temperature and they coast right on up to 140°F... beautifully RARE!

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

--- OTOH, the third world produces an immense amount of hard goods which the US absorbs, to the disadvantage of our local manufacturers but which we let happen in the interest of letting the global marketplace seek its own level.

Altruism raised to its highest level by sacrifice, no?

Or else, reducto ad absurdium, we don't deserve to live?

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--- That depends on how one thinks America should be run.

From your Socialist point of view it becomes apparent that you think that the needs of the weak should supercede the desires of the strong, while in actuality it's the strong who decide how the culture will evolve.

Even in times of revolution, when old regimes are being deposed, it's always been the strong new leaders who persuade the sheep to follow them in order to achieve the new leaders' "noble goal".

Cut to the present, we (the US) now possess a military machine which _can't_ be defeated, a willingness to listen to why you think that your way is better than ours, and the innocence to proceed along that path if you can convince us that you're not full of shit.

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--- Our primary interest is survival, and we try to run this country "by the book", because we believe that the codified rule of law will effect that.

We provide references to the rules of law which prevail here, and courts to decide whether the rules are just, and justices free of encumbrances to make the final decisions as to what's just and what isn't.

What more can we do?

Let you tell us how to run our trip?

I don't think so.

We cut the umbilical cord a long time ago, at just about the same time we found out that we needed to wean our mother, and she's been complaining ever since. Except, of course, when barbarians needed to be repelled and she had no choice but to ask for help, or die.

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--- So get on your sleigh and help out...

-- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer

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John Fields

I baked a 7 lb chicken with that stupid pop-button thing I wouldn't trust as far as I can spit- ignored it and went by more usual formula of

20 minutes/lb at 350o- it came out perfectly as usual- bake it uncovered for last 30 minutes to crisp it up. For beef fillets the trick is you need to know your pan/skillet/stove and partially cover it. I can make anything come out perfectly and look char broiled to boot. You want to sear it up on high heat initially to seal in the juices and flavor, then turn it down, salt and pepper, cover with chopped shallots or garlic, and cook it through slowly. All this takes about 15 minutes on even a thick piece.
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Fred Bloggs

So, if we don't furnish cheap or free food, we're guilty of killing people by starvation. And if we do, we're guilty of harming 3rd world farmers by competing with them.

Seems to me that withholding cheap food, to favor local farmers, must make food more expensive hence make people hungrier. If that logic is wrong, maybe somebody could explain it to me.

John

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John Larkin

We do feed our citizens better, mainly by having a marginally more generous welfare system. The French are still over-subsidising their farmers, but at last there are fewer workers on the land, and bigger, more efficient farms, and we can start to cut back on the subsidies.

A more generous welfare system would do the job perfectly well, as it does on this side of the pond. The entirely hypothetical risks of enslaving the poor in helpless dependency are justified by the pragmatic advanatage of avoiding the very real and permanent damage done by even transient episodes of indadequate nutrition.

You don't compete - you dump. The products ae sold below the cost of production.

As usual, it is a bit more complicated than that. The main problem with dumped surpluses is that they come and go. One year everybody in Dubya's favoruite third world country is eating loads of cheap food paid for by US aid, and the next year Muslims are out of favour, so all the local farmers have got to double the size of their plots.

This all avoids the point that the U.S, has the agricultural production to feed all its citizens properly, but can't - or won't - organise the economy in such a way that all end up fed.

This costs you productivity in terms of kids who grow up under-educated because you don't learn well when you haven't got enough to eat. Why can't the people who run your businesses see the advantage in healthy workers and more consumers with a full wage packet to spend?

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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bill.sloman

The people with the most influence over the decisions seem tonown a lot of the factories in the third wolrd countries which are producing the goods you import.

Since it is being "paid for" by a massive balance of payments deficit, it isn't o much altruism as fecklessness.

But the strong should have enough sense to know that starving the workers and their kids into permanent uselessness during transient periods of lowered employment is just plaiin wasteful.

By anyone silly enough to fight it the way it wants to be fought.

So you claim. You've got a lively propaganda machine busy depicting any political system to the left of yours as "socialist" (by which you understand "communist") levelers, intent on taking from the rich for the benefit of a bureaucratic elite, which makes it diffucult for you to get an object ive view of the rest of the world.

So do we, but our book - while broadly similar - does differ in some significant details

But in the end, they are enforcing the laws made by Congress, and you meed to be a millionaire, or backed by a millionaire, to get elected to Congress.

Of course not, Your fat cats like the way they run your country, pay for the propaganda that obscures the fact that we can run our society in a way that leaves many fewer citizens malnourished, and encourage your citizens to think that the way you run things now is "the American way" when in fact it is just "the fat cats' way".

Your Founding Father were a bunch of tax evaders, and their values were written into your constitution. You ripped off your "mother" back then, and you are ripping off your kids now.

Very noble of you. Do try and remember that in WW2 the Russians beat the Germans - the U.S. contribution was handy, but in no sense decisive. In WW1 you came to the party even later, and had even less effect.

I'm doing my best.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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bill.sloman

Yeah, but the same thing happens in Europe and it helps foster efficient agronomy in the 3rd world.

What country is??

Cobblers. You live within the EU so go bleat somewhere else. What about the outrageous - and illegal - subsidies enjoyed by the French farmers under the CAP? I don't recall a single post of yours denouncing that little scam!

FFS, Bill. Spare us the guilt-trip on Christmas Day. Put yourself over as charitable if that's your bag, but (thankfully) you'll never make the cover of Time magazine.

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Paul Burridge

That accounts for why you retain sweet FA of what you read then, Bill. If you slowed down a bit and actually *absorbed* the words in front of you, it might in some small measure enhance your intellect.

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"What is now proved was once only imagin\'d" - William Blake
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Paul Burridge

Rubbish. It makes it pretty much impossible to invest in more efficient agriculture in the third world, because they don't know - fom one year to the next - when and where Europe or the U.S. is going to dump their over-production.

There is less malnutrtion in the U.K. and the advanced countires of Western Europe - we've got a better welfare system, and - in that narrow, if crucial area - are beter run.

You've got a rotten memory, and no skill wth search engines. Here is something I write in January. It's largely drawn from what I learned from an agricultural economist in Melbourne back around 1968, so you may be able to find earlier versions.

"Europe's major problems are of its own making - the German economy is still struggling to accomodate what used to be East Germany, with it's delapidated infra-structure and anitiquated industry, and the French are still a long way from getting their agricultural sector up to U.S. and Australian levels of productivity. The French have shamelessly exploited the rest of the EU to support their agricultural sector for the past forty years, and while they have moved a lot of peasants off the land, they still have quite a way to go, and have stuck the rest of

Europe with a system that over-subsidises every other member's farmers,

who now include the Polish peasants, amongst others."

The French agricultural subsidies aren't illegal, but they are rapacious.

What a horrifying thought.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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bill.sloman

Bill needs (a bulbous) one of those shoved up his rectum, judging by his recent posts. Can you oblige? Not the one you use for cooking, obviously. ;-)

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Paul Burridge

Good advice, but I don't think the initial high heat is intended to seal in the flavour. It's more to do with sealing *out* the (external cooking) fats and preventing the food from absorbing them.

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"What is now proved was once only imagin\'d" - William Blake
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Paul Burridge

You're thinking of that French method where the meat is simmered in liquid after browning- braising. I am talking about cooking up beef fillets that are usually well-marbled for flavor. If the finished product is not juicy, it is not flavorful.

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Fred Bloggs

That's my favorite cut- but it has gone from 11.99/lb to 15.99/lb lately. There's a truck stop I go to that serves "certified" Angus sirloin dinners for cheaper than a grocery store buy. They even have a

32oz serving- it's all I can do to finish the 12oz without bursting- but that's with hash browns, eggs over easy, toast, and about 6 cups of coffee which they serve by the pitcherful. I like that operation- open 24/7 and always packed.
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Fred Bloggs

I have found the fastest way to read is to start from the end and work toward the beginning- otherwise there is no motivation to slug through the soporific thing.

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Fred Bloggs

As ever, John, you're bang on the money with your trenchant observations. Bill will never see it, though. :-(

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"What is now proved was once only imagin\'d" - William Blake
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Paul Burridge

OK, OK, good point. Sorry.

John

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John Larkin

I personally subimt that it depends on the definition of "civilising[SIC]" and "influences".

Hell, I thought it was ME! ;-P

Cheers Rich

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Rich Grise, but drunk

Oh, come on, John! You, of all people, should know that in order for a person to be pompous, they have to have something to pomp!

;-)

Cheers! Rich

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Rich Grise, but drunk

No, the civili"s"ed response would be, figure out the difference between John Fields and John Larkin, figure out who's saying what to whom, and quit aspiring to "pompous ass", 'cos you ain't gonna make it with that attitude. Snobbish and self-righteous, you got down pat, but you ain't gonna back up pompous.

Jeez, where's Jim Thompsion when you're in the modd for a biating contex5t?

Thanks! Rich

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Rich Grise, but drunk

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