US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students? and Resea rchers? Visas

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Long overdue:

On Tuesday (May 26), Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Trump talked about  
plans to cancel visas for Chinese nationals who are already conducting rese
arch in the US and who have ties to universities affiliated with China?
??s military?a policy that would affect some 3,000 students, ac
cording to the Times.  

Don't believe the hype coming from the university sycophants and parasites  
about these people making any kind of essential contributions to anything.  
That's total bullshit.  

They need to kick out all the swine associated with military institutions r
egardless of national origin.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/us-looks-to-block-chinese-grad-s
tudents-and-researchers-visas-67591


Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students? an d Researchers? Visas
On 5/29/2020 12:29 PM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:
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Maybe they'll let 3,000 Saudi nationals in to replace them, they're our  
friends after all.

Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Studentsí and Researchersí Visas
On Fri, 29 May 2020 09:29:49 -0700 (PDT),
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Yes. Our "public" colleges in California keep out the residents so
they can get full-fare tuition and dorm fees from rich out-of-state
and out-of-country parents.

I get a lot of resumes. Most are from foreign students who are coming
up on graduation and want a job so they can stay here.



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Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students? an d Researchers? Visas
On 5/29/2020 12:57 PM, snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
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Yes, higher education can be a racket, we might disagree as to precisely  
what type of racket it is.

The above is actually more in line with leftist thinking on the topic.  
Heavens!

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Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
bitrex wrote:
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Well no, leftist thinking gave the schools public money which allowed  
them to inflate the price.  



Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On Sat, 30 May 2020 14:12:09 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"

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Can you explain that?



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Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
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When the buyer has deep pockets the seller raises the price, obviously.  
If you had an old junker and a movie studio wanted to buy it, would you  
ask the same price you would from a scrap yard?

The GI Bill should have been given as cash payments so the vets could go  
to college or start a business or anything else, and then the schools  
wouldn't be staffed with 10x the number of faculty per student than they  
used to have.




Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On 2020-05-30 14:51, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
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It isn't even faculty, it's all sorts of featherbedding that has zilch  
to do with education and research.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 11:56:54 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

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Er... no, the GI bill worked fine just the way it was intended.   Long-term
investment, in people, largely bypassing investment bankers (who can
only handle business plans on a  nonpersonal scale).  It required a
student to keep up with his studies, so the individual put his sweat equity
into the mix.

Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
whit3rd wrote:
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So you want to serve the collective instead of the individual.  Then  
require them to keep their hair cut and their beds made and shoes  
shined, since you want the money to be conditional on managing their  
lives like they were still in the army, instead of a reward for having  
already been in it.




Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On 5/30/2020 2:51 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
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I think you're overestimating how "overstaffed" the university faculties  
are, unless you're PhD or PhD-track there's no long-term place for you  
in academia you aren't shit.

Among adjuncts turnover is high, the workload is heavy and the pay isn't  
that great, and there's age-ism. You're 35 and what are you still doing  
here being an adjunct? managing-out starts, there's fresh meat who are  
younger with PhD-track or newly-minted masters will do your job for less.

Universities try to cut costs by shoving a large part of the workload  
onto a minimum number of low-paid high-turnover employees same as many  
other businesses


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bitrex wrote:
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Like Phil said, it's mostly "staff", not faculty.




Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On 5/30/2020 11:43 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
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UMass Amherst as an example has a student population undergrad and grad  
of around 30k; ballpark just looking over their public records they  
probably have about 50-100 top functionaries and administrators who are  
making the big Gs, perhaps in aggregate what the profs make, around 1k  
professors who are making about 80-100 grand in the mean (lions share of  
the mean swung towards the tenure profs), and maybe another 5k general  
paper-pushers, admissions, librarians, IT workers, maintenance,  
security, food service, janitors, tour guides, etc. all the people you  
need to keep 2,000 acres of campus running who are making in aggregate  
what the other two categories make

Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On 5/31/2020 12:40 AM, bitrex wrote:
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Best place to work as a public employee in Massachusetts is the Boston  
Police Department, the top 50 officers all make over 250k/yr and a  
couple clock in at over 400k/year, if you include overtime and detail  
work. The fire department is similar but not as high figures.

They do tend to be able to arrest people regularly without killing them  
so the maxim "you get what you pay for" may apply.

Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
bitrex wrote:
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That's because JFK let them unionize. FDR didn't because there would be  
no limit to what they could demand.  So we pay confiscatory property tax  
and pass it down to renters who pay 2 weeks salary per month instead of  
1 week like they used to.  Then Democrat community leaders complain that  
rent is "too damn high."





Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
bitrex wrote:
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Yeah, so look at how much the ratio of students and staff has changed.  
I don't remember the numbers and don't want to look it up now, so you  
need not rush to it either.  Just look out for it.




Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On 5/31/2020 11:02 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
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Go around expelling Chinese students and at least in this area you're  
gonna put at least half the BMW and Cadillac dealers out of business. :(

Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On 5/30/2020 2:16 PM, snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
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Republicans have been cutting funding whenever they get a chance for  
four decades, that's part of why private and public universities alike  
enjoy bringing these Chinese students in. Their families are baller with  
millions of $$$ to throw around and Americans on average be broke, yo.

But there are also more wealthy Americans than ever before, too, so if  
the right thinks they're going to put the university system  
out-of-business that way it hasn't happened in 40 years of regular  
cutbacks soooo...don't know what you're hoping for.

Some smaller schools will continue to go out of businesses and the  
bigger ones will charge whatever they like, someone will pay it and you  
can't push papers at a car dealership without a bachelors, these days. I  
fully expect they'll keep requiring the paper too it's great  
gate-keeping, they don't care how many Americans don't have it they're  
not a high-school-diploma-only job-placement service. People who don't  
have college degrees tend to be riskier employees it's the equivalent of  
your auto insurance looking at your credit score first thing.

Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On 5/30/2020 2:12 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
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The inflation of price can also be explained in part by market  
principles: pricing strategy. There's no "no-haggle" price at a private  
university like it is a Saturn dealership or something. Nobody pays the  
same price.

You set the sticker-price high to bilk the people who will pay it no  
questions asked. And then you offer discounts to the people who might  
not be able to pay full price today, but look like good prospects for  
repeat customers (endowments, perhaps.) For you only: special discount  
today! And you shape your customer-base to maximize revenue.

It's a business hustle as old as sales.


Re: US Looks to Block Chinese Grad Students' and Researchers' Visas
On 5/30/2020 11:14 PM, bitrex wrote:
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That is to say the university system's bread-and-butter is wealthy  
parents with dumb kids.

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