The Tesla is SLOOOOOWWWWWWWW!

Drive above 30 mph or so and the rain barely touches your hair. Just don't stop.

I once ran out of gas and coasted about a block into a gas station. Really.

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jlarkin
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SOHC engines are pretty easy to get right, even interference ones. DOHC is another matter--you have to get all the slack on the tensioner side, or else.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Youtube has lots of flics of idiots with chainsaws.

Our city version: we were driving uphill on Swiss Street and a driverless recycling wheelie bin was screaming down the street at us. Last second, it changed its mind and swerved into a parked car.

I just came back from three days up at the cabin in Truckee, one day without power. Life is different without electricity.

A few cabins up the block, a tree fell in a windstorm. It slammed the power line and sent a shock wave down the block. That propagated to us and tugged on the roughly 100 foot tap-off from the street to our cabin. It ripped the fascia off the roofline and dumped the power, cable, and POTS wires on the ground.

I could model that in Spice.

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jlarkin

They only weighed 1500 pounds, not much rolling resistance. That's about

100 pounds less than a Smart clown car. There aren't many production more or less road legal cars that weigh less other than the Lotus 7/Caterham/Westfield family. Even the Polaris Slingshot three wheeler weighs more.
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rbowman

My Fiat was about 1400 pounds, with a blistering 68 hp (not bad from an

1100 cc engine--about one hp per cube).

It was one of the earlier transverse engine FWD cars, so the back end was very light--there was basically nothing back there. Occasionally when I was liable to be late for class, I'd find some impossibly tight parking space, nose in, then climb out and lift the back of the car into the spot. Got some funny looks. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

I was parked with a date one night, near a beach, and my Sprite was stuck in the sand alongside the road. A few guys came along and lifted it, and us, onto the pavement.

I weighed a bit less then, I'm guessing.

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jlarkin

The fans claim it was the progenitor of modern car designs but I still give that honor to the Mini despite quibbles about the drive train design. I liked to watch the Mini's running at Lime Rock. They could embarrass much more powerful cars in the twisties. I like to think my Yaris is closer to the concept of a cheap little box that could run like a scalded cat than the upmarket Mini Coopers.

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rbowman

IIRC there was a small Audi that came out a bit before the 128, with the same layout. Mine had a dash-mounted choke _and_ a dash-mounted throttle, so you could do the Italian cruise control thing without needing a cinder block to put on the gas pedal. ;)

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Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Did the Fiat have trouble with the exhaust system pulling apart from the motor torque? My Austin America did. Obviously, people slapped that car together without a thought of what might happen when you turn the engine 90 degrees.

It was not a bad car in other respects than it was British. British never made reliable cars. The US made crappy cars back then, but even US automakers laughed at British cars. Lucas electrics was enough to cripple any machine. It's always amazed me the Brits were able to hold off the Germans by building airplanes. Now, BEVs look like they will be the death of the Brits. They can't even keep their kettles hot, there's no way they can figure out how to span a 6 foot sidewalk to charge a car.

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Ricky

I think the first Audi badged car was the F103 derived from a DKW by replacing the 2 stroke with a 4 stroke longitudinal engine FWD. I don't think it made it to the US. I bought a 100LS in '71 and I think that was the first US model before the smaller F80 Fox. It was longitudinal too.

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The second link is much longer but has a view of the drive train. Everything they say in both articles is true. I almost killed myself before I got it sorted out. Not only was it the first FWD car I'd driven but the extremely nose heavy weight distribution meant it was happiest going in a straight line, telephone poles and maple trees be damned. It also had a number of electrical and mechanical issues. When we split my wife got the Audi and I got the Lincoln. She later got a few hundred bucks on a trade-in for a Rabbit which was a vast improvement.

I can only assume Audis have greatly improved. Oh, and there were the ergonomic seats designed for somebody else's ergo. I've driven everything from a $35 '51 Chevy on up to Kenworths and it was the most uncomfortable thing of the pack.

I'd really went in to buy a Porsche 914 but just sitting in one in the showroom convinced me it wouldn't work so I wound up with the Audi. It is telling that in '71 it was a mid-sized executive car; today it would barely make it into the compact class.

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rbowman

I think one of the first transverse-4 front-wheel drive cars was the Austin America. Innvative but still British.

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The 914 was a killer. The 914/6 would actually do a wheelie. During a wheelie, it was hard to steer.

My MGs had a lot of oversteer (not power oversteer of course!) but that was sort of controllable and kinda fun.

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jlarkin

And of course leaked oil. Everything designed in England in the 1960s was legally required to leak oil. The Concorde, the QE2, Triumphs, MGs, Astons, tea pots, garden hosepipes, all of them.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs (Former Triumph owner)

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Phil Hobbs

Honda made the amazing discovery that a motorcycle crankcase could be split horizontally.

Yamaha and Honda bikes, myself.

We need a new pick-and-place machine. Our old Universal is getting cranky and there is one guy in the USA that can fix it. We'll probably get a Yamaha. They also make pianos, motorcycles, outboard motors, offroad things, golf clubs, all sorts of stuff.

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jlarkin

I may have seen one but it wasn't memorable. I do remember the first Mini I saw. It was in Quebec and I was following it wondering what sort of thing it was. Then the driver made a right hand turn onto a side road without slowing appreciably and I decided whatever it was it handled pretty well.

Understandable.

My future brother in law was riding in my Sprite one evening making disparaging remarks about the roller skate. When he asked how it handled I pulled a 180. 'Oh' he said faintly. It may have been the most fun car I've owned. Part of the fun was having people watch me extract my over

6' frame from the car. I found it more comfortable than a friend's A-H 3000.

That was my problem with the Audi. I was used to understeering American iron but an application of throttle solved the problem. With the Audi more throttle just got you to the tree faster.

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rbowman

Oil was cheap... The Brits were pining for the days of total loss lubrication systems.

Triumph as in TR3/TR4 or Bonneville? Not that it makes a difference when it comes to marking its territory.

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rbowman

Good planning to run out of gas uphill from a gas station!

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Flyguy

Mine was a TR7 with four- and five-speed transmissions at various times.

The four was made of glass, so when it went, I had a local shop put a

5-speed transmission and matching bell housing on. The rear end stayed the same, so it needed a Frankenstein drive shaft, which worked fine. I sold it when I got married and went to grad school.

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Phil Hobbs

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This is an article about an actual cross-country road trip in an EV

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: I thought it would be fun.

That’s what I told my friend Mack when I asked her to drive with me from New Orleans to Chicago and back in an electric car.

I’d made long road trips before, surviving popped tires, blown headlights and shredded wheel-well liners in my 2008 Volkswagen Jetta. I figured driving the brand-new Kia EV6 I’d rented would be a piece of cake.

If, that is, the public-charging infrastructure cooperated. We wouldn’t be the first to test it. Sales of pure and hybrid plug-ins doubled in the U.S. last year to 656,866—over 4% of the total market, according to database EV-volumes. More than half of car buyers say they want their next car to be an EV, according to recent Ernst & Young Global Ltd. data.

BY THE NUMBERS Our reporter’s four-day, three-night EV road trip included many charging stops, little sleep—and less junk food than you might expect

Miles driven: 2,013 Number of charges: 14 Total charging cost: $175 Hours spent waiting to charge: 18 Hours of sleep: 16 Calories of junk food consumed (estimated): 1,465 Giant chicken statues passed: 1 Oh—and we aimed to make the 2,000-mile trip in just under four days so Mack could make her Thursday-afternoon shift as a restaurant server.

Given our battery range of up to 310 miles, I plotted a meticulous route, splitting our days into four chunks of roughly 7½-hours each. We’d need to charge once or twice each day and plug in near our hotel overnight.

The PlugShare app—a user-generated map of public chargers—showed thousands of charging options between New Orleans and Chicago. But most were classified as Level 2, requiring around 8 hours for a full charge.

While we’d be fine overnight, we required fast chargers during the days. ChargePoint Holdings Inc., which manufactures and maintains many fast-charging stations, promises an 80% charge in 20 to 30 minutes. Longer than stopping for gas—but good for a bite or bathroom break.

The government is spending $5 billion to build a nationwide network of fast chargers, which means thousands more should soon dot major highways. For now, though, fast chargers tend to be located in parking lots of suburban shopping malls, or tethered to gas stations or car dealerships.

Cost varies widely based on factors such as local electricity prices and charger brands. Charging at home tends to be cheaper than using a public charger, though some businesses offer free juice as a perk to existing customers or to entice drivers to come inside while they wait.

Over four days, we spent $175 on charging. We estimated the equivalent cost for gas in a Kia Forte would have been $275, based on the AAA average national gas price for May 19. That $100 savings cost us many hours in waiting time.

But that’s not the whole story.

New Orleans, our starting point, has exactly zero fast chargers, according to PlugShare. As we set out, one of the closest is at a Harley-Davidson dealership in Slidell, La., about 40 minutes away. So we use our Monday-morning breakfast stop to top off there on the way out of town.

But when we tick down 15% over 35 miles? Disconcerting. And the estimated charging time after plugging in? Even more so. This “quick charge” should take 5 minutes, based on our calculations. So why does the dashboard tell us it will take an hour?

“Maybe it’s just warming up,” I say to Mack. “Maybe it’s broken?” she says.

Over Egg McMuffins at McDonald’s, we check Google. Chargers slow down when the battery is 80% full, the State of Charge YouTube channel tells us.

Worried about time, we decide to unplug once we return to the car, despite gaining a measly 13% in 40 minutes.

Our real troubles begin when we can’t find the wall-mounted charger at the Kia dealership in Meridian, Miss., the state’s seventh-largest city and hometown of country-music legend Jimmie Rodgers.

When I ask a mechanic working on an SUV a few feet away for help, he says he doesn’t know anything about the machine and points us inside. At the front desk, the receptionist asks if we’ve checked with a technician and sends us back outside.

Not many people use the charger, the mechanic tells us when we return. We soon see why. Once up and running, our dashboard tells us a full charge, from 18% to 100%, will take 3-plus hours.

It turns out not all “fast chargers” live up to the name. The biggest variable, according to State of Charge, is how many kilowatts a unit can churn out in an hour. To be considered “fast,” a charger must be capable of about 24 kW. The fastest chargers can pump out up to 350. Our charger in Meridian claims to meet that standard, but it has trouble cracking 20.

“Even among DC fast chargers, there are different level chargers with different charging speeds,” a ChargePoint spokeswoman says.

Worse, it is a 30-minute walk to downtown restaurants. We set off on foot, passing warehouses with shattered windows and an overgrown lot filled with rusted fuel pumps and gas-station signs. Clambering over a flatcar of a stalled freight train, we half-wish we could hop a boxcar to Chicago.

By the time we reach our next station, at a Mercedes-Benz dealership outside Birmingham, Ala., we’ve already missed our dinner reservations in Nashville—still 200 miles away.

Here, at least, the estimated charging time is only an hour—and we get to make use of two automatic massage chairs while we wait.

Salesman Kurt Long tells us the dealership upgraded its chargers to 54-kW models a few weeks earlier when the 2022 Mercedes EQS-Class arrived.

“Everyone’s concern is how far can the cars go on a charge,” he says. He adds that he would trade in his car for an EV tomorrow if he could afford the $102,000 price tag. “Just because it would be convenient for me because I work here,” he says. “Otherwise, I don’t know if I would just yet.”

A customer who has just bought a new BMW says he’d consider an EV one day—if the price drops.

“You remember when the microwave came out? Or DVD players?” says Dennis Boatwright, a 58-year-old tree surgeon. “When you first get them the prices were real high, but the older they are, the cheaper they get.”

When we tell him about our trip, he asks if we’ll make it to Chicago.

“We’re hoping,” I say. “I’m hoping, too,” he says.

After the Birmingham suburbs, our journey takes us along nightmarish, dark mountain roads. We stop for snacks at a gas station featuring a giant chicken in a chef’s costume. We lean heavily on cruise control, which helps conserve battery life by reducing inadvertent acceleration and deceleration. We are beat when we finally stumble into our Nashville hotel at 12:30 a.m.

To get back on schedule, we are up and out early, amid pouring rain, writing the previous day off as a warm-up, an electric-car hazing.

For the most part, we are right. Thanks to vastly better charging infrastructure on this leg, all our stops last less than an hour.

It isn’t all smooth sailing, though. At one point we find ourselves wandering through a Kroger, sopping wet, in search of coffee after wrestling with a particularly finicky charger in the rain. By this point, not once have we managed to back in close enough to reach the pump, or gotten the stiff cord hooked around the right way on the first try.

In the parking lot of a Clarksville, Ind., Walmart, we barely have time for lunch, as the Electrify America charging station fills up our battery in about 25 minutes, as advertised.

The woman charging next to us describes a harrowing recent trip in her Volkswagen ID.4. Deborah Carrico, 65, had to be towed twice while driving between her Louisville, Ky., apartment and Boulder, Colo., where her daughter was getting married.

“My daughter was like, ‘You’ve lost it mom; just fly,’ ” the retired hairdresser says. She says she felt safer in a car during the pandemic—but also vulnerable when waiting at remote charging stations alone late at night. “But if someone is going to get me, they’re going to have to really fight me,” she says, wielding her key between her fingers like a weapon.

While she loves embracing the future, she says, her family has been giving her so much pushback that she is considering trading the car in and going back to gas.

At another Walmart, in Indianapolis, we meet Bill Stempowski as he waits for his Ford Mustang Mach-E to charge. A medical-equipment operations manager, 45, he drives all over the Midwest from his home in LaGrange, Ohio, for work.

In nine months, he says, he’s put 30,000 miles on the car and figures he’s saved thousands on gas. “I smile as the gas-sign prices tick up,” he says. That day, his charge comes to about $15, similar to what we are paying to fill up.

We pull into Chicago at 9 p.m., having made the planned 7½-hour trip in 12 hours. Not bad, we agree.

‘What if we just risk it?’ Leaving Chicago after a full night of sleep, I tell Mack I might write only about the journey’s first half. “The rest will just be the same,” I predict, as thunder claps ominously overhead. “Don’t say that!” she says. “We’re at the mercy of this goddamn spaceship.” She still hasn’t mastered the lie-flat door handles after three days.

As intense wind and rain whip around us, the car cautions, “Conditions have not been met” for its cruise-control system. Soon the battery starts bleeding life. What began as a 100-mile cushion between Chicago and our planned first stop in Effingham, Ill., has fallen to 30.

“If it gets down to 10, we’re stopping at a Level 2,” Mack says as she frantically searches PlugShare.

We feel defeated pulling into a Nissan Mazda dealership in Mattoon, Ill. “How long could it possibly take to charge the 30 miles we need to make it to the next fast station?” I wonder.

Three hours. It takes 3 hours.

I begin to lose my mind as I set out in search of gas-station doughnuts, the wind driving sheets of rain into my face.

Seated atop a pyramid of Smirnoff Ice 12-packs, Little Debbie powdered sugar sprinkled down the pajama shirt I haven’t removed in three days, I phone Mack. “What if we just risk it?” I say. “Maybe we’ll make it there on electrical fumes.”

“That’s a terrible idea!” she says, before asking me to bring back a bag of nuts. ‘Charge, Urgently!’ Back on the road, we can’t even make it 200 miles on a full charge en route to Miner, Mo. Clearly, tornado warnings and electric cars don’t mix. The car’s highway range actually seems worse than its range in cities.

Indeed, highway driving doesn’t benefit as much from the car’s regenerative-braking technology—which uses energy generated in slowing down to help a car recharge its battery—Kia spokesman James Bell tells me later. He suspects our car is the less-expensive EV6 model with a range not of 310 miles, as listed on Turo, but 250. He says he can’t be sure what model we were driving without physically inspecting the car.

“As we have all learned over many years of experience with internal combustion engine vehicles, factors such as average highway speed, altitude changes, and total cargo weight can all impact range, whether derived from a tank of gasoline or a fully charged battery,” he says.

To save power, we turn off the car’s cooling system and the radio, unplug our phones and lower the windshield wipers to the lowest possible setting while still being able to see. Three miles away from the station, we have one mile of estimated range.

“Charge, Urgently!” the dashboard urges. “We know!” we respond.

At zero miles, we fly screeching into a gas-station parking lot. A trash can goes flying and lands with a clatter to greet us. Dinner is beef jerky, our plans to dine at a kitschy beauty shop-turned-restaurant in Memphis long gone.

Then we start to argue. Mack reminds me she needs to be back in time for her shift the next day. There’s no way we’ll make it, I tell her.

“Should we just drive straight through to New Orleans?” I finally ask desperately, even as I realize I’ve failed to map out the last 400 miles of our route.

To scout our options, Mack calls a McDonald’s in Winona, Miss., that is home to one of the few fast chargers along our route back to New Orleans. PlugShare tells us the last user has reported the charger broken. An employee who picks up reasonably responds that given the rain, she’ll pass on checking to see if an error message is flashing across the charger’s screen.

Home, sweet $4-a-gallon home At our hotel, we decide 4 hours of sleep is better than none, and set our alarms for 4 a.m.

We figure 11 hours should be plenty for a trip that would normally take half as long. That is, if absolutely everything goes right.

Miraculously, it does. At the McDonald’s where we stop for our first charge at 6 a.m., the charger zaps to life. The body shop and parts department director at Rogers-Dabbs Chevrolet in Brandon, Miss., comes out to unlock the charger for us with a keycard at 10 a.m. We’re thrilled we waited for business hours, realizing we can only charge while he’s there.

We pull into New Orleans 30 minutes before Mack’s shift starts—exhausted and grumpy.

The following week, I fill up my Jetta at a local Shell station. Gas is up to $4.08 a gallon.

I inhale deeply. Fumes never smelled so sweet.

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Flyguy

A Spice transmission line has one mode. A real wire has lots of mechanical modes: horizontal, vertical, longitudinal, twist. That would be hard to Spice.

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John Larkin

I lusted after the TR3. Like the MGA to MGB I thought they lost their charm when they tried to modernize. The MGA's were nice but the TR3's were a little faster. For real style there were the MG TD's but they were barely road worthy.

I almost bought a MGA but my father noticed all 4 wheels weren't exactly pointed in the same direction.

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rbowman

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