OT: Old Mozilla to new Thunderbird, how to get emails over?

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Yes, it originated from the single user PC. But meantime it functions rather nicely in a multi-user environment. Over the weekend I wanted to set up a couple PCs here to do file sharing and give each access to two network printer, one of which runs over a parallel port inside a router. I thought this would take at least a couple hours until it works. Well, it was less than 20 minutes and I could even do other stuff while drivers were loading.

Is APL still being used as a programming environment? My dad was a huge fan of it.

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Desqview. That is the one i was trying to remember. Along with extended= and=20 expanded memory managers like QEMM and other DOS-Extenders like Phar-Lap. There are still people around trying to keep OS/2 alive as well.

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My dad always had to buy specialty keyboards for his PC because APL uses some Greek letters. That cost quite a bit extra because you can't get those at the discounters. Do you think APL is still used commercially somewhere?

AFAIR mine wasn't Desqview. But the thing is, much of this stuff worked liked a champ. I could task-switch between writing the module spec on MS-Word, drawing in OrCad-SDT and occasionally hop into the good old DOS email client to check my CompuServe emails. All on the same computer, a Tandon 386 at 25MHz with 5MB of RAM in there (cost a small fortune). Heck, even copying excerpts of the schematic into the module spec for explaining a function worked except that the exchange format was HPGL.

Maybe Software Carousel? It was pretty popular for awhile (I owned a copy), and while I never used DESQview, from the advertising it always sounded like DESQview was somewhat more powerful and fancier... but also more expensive (the main reason I *didn't* own a copy... although I did eventually purchase QEMM-386, which was quite good).

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It was something that came as a bonus pack after the purchase of a LogiTech ScanMan. Not as a freebie in the box, you had to fill out a form, send it in and a week later a large letter with some 5-1/4" disks showed up. Most people didn't jump at the opportunity, probably because the form looked like a registration for the privilege to receive more junk mail, or maybe some sales droid had indoctrinated them that DOS can never be a multi-tasker and wanted to sell them Windows 3.something or OS/2.

I still have the software somewhere but my "modern" PC refuses to operate both a 3-1/2" and a 5-1/4" drive :-(

On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:48:19 -0800) it happened Joerg wrote in :

I recently bought a nice USB floppy drive (so I could flash the BIOS hehe). Those are cheap!

Where did you get a 5-1/4" version?

A few years ago I copied all my 5-1/4" stuff (a few hundred disks) onto CD's, and scrapped the drives... I couldn't get drivers for new PC's. ...Jim Thompson

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I've still got my AT 4Mhz 286, modified to accept a 1.2Mb 5.25" and a

Drivers? It's usually the BIOS which handles that. And that's exactly my problem because the Foxconn mobo in my Dell PC happened to be a dumbed-down version versus the regular fare, which I didn't know before purchase. Meaning the new one only supports one 3-1/2" drive :-(

They also left off S/PDIF for audio and such. It's basically all there in hardware but for some reason that completely eludes me they yanked all this from the BIOS. Not that the earth's rotation comes to a stop because of it but that was a wee bit disappointing.

Those were the days. Where a PC could simply be started using a boot floppy and the only thing that happened with a deal coin cell was that it didn't keep time after power-off. Just like my old Citroen which I drove without a battery for years. It was built so it could do that, no electronics, not even a lone diode.

After the disposal I found out that there are adapters for such drives, HDD or FDD, to USB.

I now have ALL my old HDD drives with a USB adapter. Want to look up something old... just plug 'er in ;-) ...Jim Thompson

For FDD? Really? Never seen that for 5-1/4".

Much simpler here: Old drives are so much smaller. So I spooled everything onto a network drive plus a backup drive. Now a mouse click in Windows Explorer lets me look at old stuff :-)

On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:47:38 -0800) it happened Joerg wrote in :

No, 3-1/2 only. I still have a lot of 5-1/4 floppies, and an old 5-1/4 drive. The old Z80 computer I build should be able to read those, but last time I tried many of those floppies had data errors. I could put the 5-1/4 floppy drive in a PC, there exists a DOS program, IIRC it is called '22disk', that reads old CP/M floppies. But no longer worth the hassle, copied the most important things to 3-1/2 flops long time ago, and then to harddisk, and the Z80 system's EPROMs must be dead now :-) As that included the 2716 EPROM programmer (it uses Z80 PIOs), I cannot revive those without a lot of soldering... I do seem to have a z80 emulator on my Linux system, typing 'z80' started it! Hey, I and I still have that 22disk.exe program too:-)

I like flash, SD memory cards, and USB sticks these days. And almost a thousand DVDs for storage..

On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:49:51 -0800) it happened Joerg wrote in :

I had a Peugeot 404 that sometimes, at the most inconvenient moments, needed to be started by hand with a crank.