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I like the sentiment a lot... fits right into my scheme of life... the hard stuff is the ONLY fun stuff ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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cs snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Yes.

Not personally. I believe Pres.Bush has the right idea and is doing a good job,though.The problem does not lie with Iraq alone;it's Iran and Syria that are aiding and contributing to Iraq's instability. Iran is becoming the next real troublespot,with their quest for nuclear weapons.

How long do you think that "watching" was going to last? HOW LONG would it be necessary to keep "watching"? Some already were pushing to get the sanctions dropped.

Saddam/AlQueda linkage references;

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It's ridiculous to believe that Saddam was a stabilizing influence in that region.

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Paul Burke wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@individual.net:

Weapons,or *weapon-making precursors*(ingredients)?

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Jim Yanik

You are really off in outer-space. Why don't we just let history be the judge. The catch there is we'll still be around to judge it as long we don't listen to romantics like you...

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Fred Bloggs

They stick on file cabinets too:

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Cheers! Rich

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Rich Grise

Oh my gosh - they're patriotic? And that is bad HOW?

Thomas

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Zak

I'm sure you mean 75% of the decisions accepted for a hearing by the Supreme Court, right? At any rate, that's a small percentage of all the Circuit's decisions.

It also reflects the Supreme Court's conservative bias, and shows their interest in examining decisions where they can overturn a liberal court. Of course, you deny any reasoning the country should have any liberal courts, despite the fact that a large fraction of the country is decidedly to the left of George W Bush, and that it's California's preference.

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Winfield Hill

Well said, Spehro.

Thanks, Mike

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MJRainey

Excerpt: "Is the U.S. Repeating the Mistakes of Japan in the 1930s?" by John Dower, Professor of History at MIT

"....This exercise in what we now euphemistically refer to as regime change was subsequently extended to China south of the Great Wall, where the eruption of all-out war in 1937 left Japan in control of the entire eastern seaboard and a population of some 200-million Chinese. In 1941, bogged down in China and desperate for additional strategic resources, the imperial war machine advanced into the colonial enclaves of Southeast Asia....The attack on Pearl Harbor was in today's terminology a pre-emptive strike aimed at delaying America's response to this so-called liberation of Asia.

"Liberation" was the consistent byword of Japan's advances -- liberation from warlords, guerrillas, "bandits" and generalized chaos in Manchuria and China proper; liberation from the uncertainty and rapacity of the global capitalist system in the wake of the Great Depression; liberation from the "Red Peril" of Soviet-led international Communism and the "White Peril" of European and American colonialism. In the grandest of ideological formulations, Japanese propagandists evoked the image of a decisive clash between "East" and "West" -- Manichean hooey as seductive then as it is today.

....Within the civilian ministries, the counterpart to the military hawks and innovative new zaibatsu was a loosely linked cadre known as the "new bureaucrats" (shin kanryo) or "renovationist bureaucrats" (kakushin kanryo), accomplished technocrats devoted to wedding the new order abroad to new institutional structures at home. Adversaries and factional opponents may have denounced these men as rogue bureaucrats

-- or rogue capitalists, or rogue military -- but the rogues were in the saddle.

....Tojo himself was eased from power, in proper parliamentary manner, in 1944. No one could stop the machine he and his fellow right-wing radicals had set in motion, however, until the war came home, culminating in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan's was a short ride as empires go, but the devastation left in its wake was enormous.

Despite the deepening quagmire of occupation and empire, Japanese leaders and followers alike soldiered on -- driven by patriotic ardor and a pitiful fatalism. It was only afterwards, in the wake of defeat, that pundits and politicians and ordinary people stepped back to ask: How could we have been so deceived?

We are in a better position to answer this now."

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Mike

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MJRainey

Is 50% a "large fraction"? The country seems to be very evenly split philosophically.

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Not in this case. The term "preventative war" has been used in US foreign policy circles to describe the putative justification for the invasion of Iraq. it's widely accepted that it came nowhere near being preemptive. The thread must be both imminent and credible for a strike to be preemptive. It's an old principle that true preemption is justified, and it's thus codified in the UN charter. Naturally the bar is set high for such actions.

Of course leaders of countries that want to invade other countries always come up with faux reasons such as self-defense-- for example Hitler's famous claim that Czechoslovakia was a dagger pointed at the heart of Germany, the faked Polish attacks on Germany, and so on. In many cases, IMHO, the intelligent citizens of the aggressor nation probably don't/didn't actually believe the lies or feel the fear, but feel that it will benefit them personally so support the lies so long as it's not costing them personally too much and takes their minds of their other troubles. The ugly, evil side to human nature, patriotism and nationalism- bigotry and the substitution of citizen's rights for human rights (as with the Nuremberg laws oppressing Jewish "non-citizens").

You're thinking of 1967. The usual pre-war provocations and manoeuverings, complicated by Soviet support and disinformation supplied to the Arabs and American support for the Israelis (and perceived American weakness due to being bogged down in Vietnam). May or may not have been legitimately preemptive, but was certainly in the right ball park. Interesting cold-war stuff, but not terribly relevant to Iraq (except perhaps from the bad intelligence angle). It will be interesting to see if false "confessions" that people such as Libbi made under CIA torture as well as "Curveball" type disinformation by manipulative exiles turn out to have contributed substantially to the bad US intelligence about Iraq.

Sure, but they have to believe their life is in danger (proportionality) and the threat must be imminent and credible. They can't sneak into your house at night and shoot you in the back of the head because you found out you own guns (or are trying to buy a gun) and they know you're mad at a certain cop for knocking up your daughter, for example.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

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Spehro Pefhany

To answer questions like this with official answers,

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and click "IPC-7351 LP Viewer" to get the free viewer app.

But if you only intend to hand-assemble, anything you can visualize will "work".

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Jim Thompson

How did I void the warranty? Am I, like, _required_ to cut them off?

;-P Rich

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Rich, Under the Affluence

A, how did you go from 75 to 50? "Tolerance?"

B, Wouldn't it be virtually heavenly if the two "sides" were to find some kind of common ground in the middle? That doesn't include killing people?

Sigh, Rich

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Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippi

They are *refrigerator* magnets.

John

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Spehro Pefhany

In article , Jim Thompson wrote: [... me ..]

Yes he may be able to. He may also be able to suggest how to not have to fight one, which would be even better.

Guerrillas need some measure of support from the public. They tend to win against stronger foes when that foe has bad intelligence. The case of El Salvador is a good example. The government had far better arms, but the people, in general, hated and feared them. The result was that they didn't even see the uprising coming.

It will take years to put down the Iraqi guerrillas. It will be the Iraqi people that do it, if it happens.

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Iraq had already made war upon it's neighbors,used poison gasses on it's own people(in addition to using them in the Iran war),where the US prior to the attatck on Pearl Harbor had NOT made any war on Japan. Iraq was also harboring and supporting terrorists.

Iraq WAS a clear threat to the US and other ME nations,thus a preemptive strike was justified.

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Jim Yanik

^^^^^^^^^^^^wot?^^^^^^^^^^

John

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"Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@example.com:

sometimes,people need to be killed.

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