OT: Funding for Ebola

On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:17:31 AM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote :

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ola victims. Even the ZMAPP miracle serum, now exhausted, failed to save a stricken Liberian doctor or a Spanish priest. The Dallas hospital patient c ould not be saved by a candidate ebola anti-viral.

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You can't say a drug has been developed when it doesn't work, efficacy is t herefore not a different question.

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Please do not quote MSM trash to me, they are hardly an authoritative sourc e and the paraquotes are wrong most of the time. The NIH director said no s uch thing.

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Efficacy is a different question to whether they were trying. They were and are, multiple efforts. Failure only suggests it isn't easy.

That's an example of the pig-bloated government identifying a need, and the private sector salivating to supply it. A quasi-successful example, in fact.

Ebola Vaccine Would Likely Have Been Found By Now If Not For Budget Cuts: NIH Director

"As the federal government frantically works to combat the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, and as it responds to a second diagnosis of the disease at home, one of the country's top health officials says a vaccine likely would have already been discovered were it not for budget cuts. "

See above.

Cheers, James Arthur

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Gee, you caught blobbs in another lie. No surprise there.

You can't say a drug has been developed when it doesn't work, efficacy is therefore not a different question.

Please do not quote MSM trash to me, they are hardly an authoritative source and the paraquotes are wrong most of the time. The NIH director said no such thing.

The huffpo is the MSM? That's a new one.

That's your take on it, but you're a trashy little nothing of an eternal-september troll. Go away.

...Jim Thompson

I suspected that Obama and the CDC were making up "facts" about ebola.

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Estimates are that the monthly average is three people with ebola infection boarding air travel leaving the region. Of course when that plane lands af ter a long long flight with everyone in close proximity, there could be 50 people getting off the plane with the infection.

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0 people getting off the plane with the infection.

Mom, nurse, says ~12% of Ebola patients aren't febrile. I couldn't confirm it.

Cheers, James Arthur

People have been found with ebola antibodies, with no recollection of ever having symptoms. Sounds like some people just fight it off.

That makes sense. Species maintain a wide range of genetic diversity specifically so that no single pathogen can wipe out the entire population.

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ction boarding air travel leaving the region. Of course when that plane lan ds after a long long flight with everyone in close proximity, there could b e 50 people getting off the plane with the infection.

OMG- no end to your ignorance, mechanic head. The most common way of acquis ition of immunity is by inheritance. The mother passes her immunity to the offspring. The catch is the offspring must be challenged by the pathogen wi thin the first seven years of life (usually) to activate and make permanent the inheritance, or else they lose it. And this does not mean the mother e ver had the disease, she could have acquired immunity the same way. There's no limit to how many generations this goes on.

Another way to acquire immunity is to be exposed to a "micro-dose" of the p athogen, small enough to activate an immune response but not large enough t o cause symptoms. This is a very accidental method and risky.

And thanks or the un-learned musing about species and diversity. You're get ting to be a laugh-a-minute lately.

Some people, not many, are immune to HIV; same effect.

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Thanks James!!

Word for the day: Febrile

There's a word I either never knew, forgot, or more likely: encountered somewhere but never bothered to look it up and commit to memory.

I love English. It probably takes 15+ syllables to say someone has a fever in Spanish!

When the government sees its job as "reassuring the public" rather than giving the citizens credit for being able to deal with the truth and make their own decisions, it's no surprise that nobody trusts what they say.

I sure hope they get James's dad's old outfit (USAMRIID) involved soon. Unlike the CDC, those guys actually seem to be able to find their rear ends without needing to use both hands, a map, GPS, radar, etc.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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What decisions do you have to make?

Until they lose track of their anthrax...

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Those people are immune because of a genetic defect that prevents HIV from infecting their CD4 cells, and NOT because they have some super antibody/NK or CD8 combo that destroys the virus.The immunity is not a result of their immune response IOW.

Bah. It's 'febril' in Spanish. Even shorter than in English. As often, the belief in the superiority of one's mother tongue is motivated by ignorance of any other language.

Jeroen Belleman

Why do you care? It isn't your business. Just tell the truth, guys. It won't kill you.

No sign of that, unlike the CDC, who cooked the USPS anthrax samples into hockey pucks before SEMing them, and therefore concluded that they weren't weaponized.

The CDC is about as reliable as the Keystone Kops.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Principal Consultant 
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Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 

160 North State Road #203 
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hobbs at electrooptical dot net 
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uisition of immunity is by inheritance. The mother passes her immunity to t he offspring. The catch is the offspring must be challenged by the pathogen within the first seven years of life (usually) to activate and make perman ent the inheritance, or else they lose it. And this does not mean the mothe r ever had the disease, she could have acquired immunity the same way. Ther e's no limit to how many generations this goes on.

e pathogen, small enough to activate an immune response but not large enoug h to cause symptoms. This is a very accidental method and risky.

getting to be a laugh-a-minute lately.

Not the same effect. It turns out that a particular mutation that made you immune to the black plague also makes you immune to HIV. The BBC ran a scie nce program on it once.

I'm fairly sure that the immune system doesn't come into it.

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cquisition of immunity is by inheritance. The mother passes her immunity to the offspring. The catch is the offspring must be challenged by the pathog en within the first seven years of life (usually) to activate and make perm anent the inheritance, or else they lose it. And this does not mean the mot her ever had the disease, she could have acquired immunity the same way. Th ere's no limit to how many generations this goes on.

the pathogen, small enough to activate an immune response but not large eno ugh to cause symptoms. This is a very accidental method and risky.

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u immune to the black plague also makes you immune to HIV. The BBC ran a sc ience program on it once.

They should really be saying uninfectible. It's like saying a fish is immun e to HIV, the virus can't live in them either ( I think...).

English has a word for everything. Where it doesn't, we steal a couple.

Cheers, James Arthur