Switch to the government plan... you can NEVER go back to private insurance.
Neatly hidden in the bill verbiage :-(
...Jim Thompson
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It was just read directly from the document on Fox Radio. The House server is over-loaded (wonder why?). When I can get on I'll give you a page number. It's apparently hidden under a "Free Choice" title ;-)
Not that it matters to me... I'm already on the dole, but you guys still out there working are about to be screwed by the elephant, and you ain't going to even be kissed :-(
Apparently it's also on Michelle Malkin's site, but I don't have time to search right now... upcoming conference call on transferring a chip design I did a few years ago to ADI Limerick... and I can't remember what I did ;-0
...Jim Thompson
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Chip is an RFID Tag, designed originally on an old 0.6um AMIS process. And used with a separate microprocessor.
Now going onto a 0.35um TSMC process and will be immersed into a uP chip.
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
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It is really a testament to a civil society when are legislators can bury this type of thing and live to laugh about it. I wonder how long civility can last. Sadly, Mike
The House server is flaky. I finally got a full copy and posted it to my own website to make it easier for you all to see what shit can come forth from Democrats...
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AND: Any sane observer can also see that middle class taxes are required to pay for this. Congress doesn't understand that doubling a tax rate DOES NOT DOUBLE revenue. When they see that, guess what? Enjoy!
...Jim Thompson
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Yep. I'm free to choose a Maserati... except it won't allowed without penalties so high as to make it unattainable :-(
Why are liberals so ignorant?
...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute. Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.
Yes, you are 'free to chose' a government dictated plan.
But that's not the issue as one is always 'free' to obey government dictates. The issue is you would *not* be free to chose, nor could a provider offer, a plan that deviates from the government dictate, whether you think it would be in your best interests or not.
Obama isn't through with this hoax by a long shot.
Better than after it's passed and too late. I realize that none of the little despots in the 'democratic' party seems to realize this but that's how 'democracy' is supposed to work. I.E. You *debate* a bill
*before* passing it.
Things are looking up, though. This one actually made it to print before being passed without anyone having a chance to read it.
(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4 ERAGE DEFINED.-Subject to the succeeding provisions of
5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6 erage under this division, the term ''grandfathered health
7 insurance coverage'' means individual health insurance
8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.-
11 (A) IN GENERAL.-Except as provided in
12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.
In other words, all the part IBD quoted means is that to be considered grandfathered coverage, it has to begin before the date specified.
(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4 ERAGE DEFINED.-Subject to the succeeding provisions of
5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6 erage under this division, the term ''grandfathered health
7 insurance coverage'' means individual health insurance
8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.-
11 (A) IN GENERAL.-Except as provided in
12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15 fective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.
In other words, all the part IBD quoted means is that to be considered grandfathered coverage, it has to begin before the date specified.
That's right. And this is how Obama manages to get his 'technically correct' wording to fly. As long as you have it 'now' you can keep it but after the bill is passed your 'choices' are "government mandated."
That is the 'game' part to 'sell' it. You can 'keep' what you've got, to fool people into thinking "this won't affect 'me'," but, according to the people who 'favor' this strategy of deception, after about 10 years or so these will fade away by attrition because, should your status change, you will have only one choice: the government dictated plans which, themselves, will fade away because they will not, by design, be able to 'compete' with a government that can, as has already been demonstrated, regulate it's 'competitor', tax whoever it pleases, including it's 'competitor', and infinitely deficit spend whether it has the money or not.
To call that 'competition' is a farce and an even bigger farce when Obama opines he just can't 'see' how private enterprise could have a problem 'competing' with government. But, then, charlatan nonsense is his modus operandi, unless you want to claim he's incredibly stupid.
As I read the bill (and I certainly haven't read all of it), here's what I *think* would happen, if it were to pass and go into effect.
There would probably be three different classes of health plans in existence:
[1] Private "exchange-participating" plans. These would be privately- offered-and-managed insurance plans, which meet certain standards (for service and coverage) defined in the bill. These plans could accept new members once the bill was in effect. [2] A government-operated plan. This plan would also meet the standards for coverage defined in the bill. It, also, would accept new members - presumably those people who could not get coverage from a privately-offered exchange-participating plan.
[3] "Grandfathered" plans - those private plans which were in effect before the bill went into effect. These plans might or might not meet the standards for service and coverage described in the bill - if not, they would not be "exchange-participating" and could not accept new members after the bill goes into effect. If my understanding is correct, then the following questions would have the following answers:
"If I have an existing health plan, can I keep it? If so, for how long?"
Yes. For as long as your current provider/insurer wants to keep offering it to you. "If I stick with my existing health plan, would this plan automatically be required to provide me with all of the services and coverage laid out in the bill?" No. "If I have an existing health plan, and then drop it, can I go back to this same plan?" Only if the plan meets the qualifications of a "exchange- participating plan". If it doesn't meet those qualifications... if it doesn't offer some services or coverage that's required by such plans... then the plan would not be allowed to accept you as a "new member". "If I have an existing health plan, and then drop it, would I be forced to use only the government-operated plan?" No. You could have a choice of either the government-operated plan, or any "exchange-partitipating" plan offered by a private insurer or provider. That could include an "exchange-participating" plan offered by your current insurer or provider. That's how I read it. I'll be interested to see how the professionals analyze it.
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