Global warming?

John

I would take with a big grain of salt results of temp-vs-CO2 through a time period (1050-1850) when temperature record is a big matter of debate, CO2 response is slow enough for its MWP response to possibly be impaired by (according to some reconstructions) a shortly preceding cold spell more than half as great as the Little Ice Age, and depth of the Little Ice Age may have been too brief to have usual degree of effect on CO2.

I would put more faith into any or any combination of the following:

1. Working from what I have heard is a "derived-from-IPCC" (my words) CO2 feedback figure of .25 W/m^2 per degree of warming, and a likely from-IPCC figure of CO2 effect before feedbacks amounting to 3.34 W/m^2 (that I worked out) for a doubling of CO2 and response to CO2 change being proportional to log of ratio expression of CO2 change, I figure "CO2 feedback" expressed as temperature increase increasing CO2 to be 5.23 % gain in atmospheric CO2 from 1 degree C/K of warming.

I would like to consider this "maybe high side".

1. Reconstructions of global temperature and atmospheric CO2 cited by Wikipedia through the past few 100,000's years appear to me to have CO2 varying from 180 to 280 PPMV as a result of temperature variation of 9 degrees C/K.

Make that 4.76% if 280/180 ratio is response to a 9.5 degree temperature increase, or 4.52% if 280/180 ratio is response to a 10 degree temperature increase.

Looks to me, with CO2 pressure at "atmospheric pressure", solubility is

With CO2 partial pressure in this case being around 3-3.5 orders of magnitude above current, past and projected-near-future atmospheric CO2 partial pressure, the solution has pH varying a bit significantly with amount of CO2 dissolved, likely more than has been past few hundred thousand years history of the oceans. That may change a little the temperature sensitivity of ratio of CO2 (and carbonic acid) solute to partial pressure of CO2 gas, and reciprocal of this ratio.

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Then again, I am expecting this feedback over the next at least 1 century, likely 2, to merely reduce (in comparison to lack of this feedback) ocean removal of CO2 being added to the atmosphere.

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

John

It just keeps piling up, doesn't it? The only thing 'melting' is their pack of lies. :)

Then there's this, and atmospheric scientist John Christy comes across as a fairly level-headed and honest guy:

Quote "Readings taken at the surface show 0.16 or 0.17 degrees of warming per decade?a bit more than the microwave readings. That may not seem such a great difference, but climate models indicate that if greenhouse gases are causing this warming, the upper atmosphere ought to be warming by about 1.2 times that of the surface, not less."

It seems things are unraveling at a faster clip than I thought was possible ...

Except that increase of greenhouse gases increases radiational cooling of uppermost levels of the atmosphere where greenhouse gas increase is significant. This would increase the "lapse rate", which is how much temperature varies inversely with altitude up to the tropopause, which has been the case.

This sounds like a very sensible and very decent person.

I suggested here that we may just be recovering from the LIA, and Sloman didn't like the idea. He will predictably accuse Christy of being in the pay of ExxonMobil.

John

Michael A. Terrell schrieb:

Hello,

we got here the coldest winter since 32 years with very much snow at the shore of the baltic sea, a region with very few snow normally.

So wait for the winters of the next decades, if most of them are very cold you may talk of the end of global warming. But only one weather extreme in an area with normally very warm winters is not at all a global climate change.

Bye

And in B.C., Canada, the warmest January ever recorded. Oh, well

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I am waiting for the day when he claims that the bible was influenced by ExxonMobil :-)

So why do the warmingists cite every warm spell, hurricane, and beach erosion as proof of global warming?

John

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Star and brain corals, large species that can take hundreds of years to grow, were as white and lifeless as bones, frozen to death. There were also dead sea turtles, eels and parrotfish littering the bottom.

"Corals didn't even have a chance to bleach. They just went straight to dead," said Johnson, who joined teams of divers last week surveying reefs in the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. "It's really ecosystem-wide mortality."

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I was diving from Key Largo in 2005. Doesn't look like the shallow dives will be too good for a while.

"Brain" corals are touchy little beasts... I've had two (out of three) turn to stone in my "chiller" stabilized tank (78ºF). ...Jim Thompson

Brain damage from the poisoned kool aid their leaders make them drink? They don't dare think for themselves, then throw a hissy fit when someone else does.

Peer review appears corrupt across other sciences as well as climate.

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It has also emerged that 14 leading stem cell researchers have written an open letter to journal editors in order to highlight their dissatisfaction.

Billions of pounds of public money is spent on funding stem cell research.

The open letter to the major scientific journals claims that "papers that are scientifically flawed or comprise only modest technical increments often attract undue profile. At the same time publication of truly original findings may be delayed or rejected".

Two internationally-renowned researchers have spoken to BBC News about their concerns.

They are Robin Lovell-Badge, from the National Institute for Medical Research (NIMR), and Austin Smith, from the University of Cambridge.

Professor Lovell-Badge said: "It's turning things into a clique where only papers that satisfy this select group of a few reviewers who think of themselves as very important people in the field is published.

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Jitt schrieb:

Hello,

well, good luck with the winter Olympics and enough snow...

Bye

John Larkin schrieb:

Hello,

one very cold winter and a temperature record of 150 years in one place does not proof that global warming does not exist. If the next decades are getting colder and the ice around the north pole is growing instead of shrinking, then we can talk of a probable end of global warming.

Just wait and see, but do wait long enough. One cold winter is nothing.

Bye

Stem cell research is another politics+emotion driven "science." Stems are treated as x-rays once were, a magical cure-all for everything. Have any therapies actually worked yet?

The stem cell thing is of course a surrogate for the abortion debate.

John

It's no surprise that the big money involved corrupts the peer review process, just like with climate science.

I have to say the abortion debate seems to be a peculiarity of the USA. Some people over here have strong opinions but it is not a big issue. Animal rights campaigners seem to fill the abortion slot with extreme actions.