Global warming in New England..

AS many of you may already know, up here in CT, MA etc. We've just had a crap load of global warming fall on us!

I hope spring and summer well take for ever to get here, because I can't imagine how much worst, this global warming can get!

Jamie

Is there so great a need to start AGW threads in SED on basis of major snowfalls that such a thread gets started on basis of a blizzard that Boston got, but so far sounding to me not as bad as roughly 4 others that Boston got between the beginning of 1978 and the beginning of 2010?

Considering that proponents of AGW could ruin humanity with their insanity, yes, it does seem important to keep pointing out how we were almost drove off a cliff and by whom. Maybe so it's less likely to happen again.

Remember, we were told that the earth was heating up and we would should start expecting summer like conditions in winter. Instead the opposite is happening. Of course now they want to call it "global climate change" since that seems to be a bit more convincing. Of course we all know that the climate changes but I guess some are just finding that out?

Well, silly me! I thought that stuff was denialist propaganda! ;-)

Cheers! Rich

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This is inane. Anthropogenic global warming is progressing steadily, and will progress faster as more people compete to make more money by digging up and burning fossil carbon. That these same people have inversted a small portion of their profits in denialist propaganda is understandable, if immoral. That some of the kind of techniclly sophisticated people who post here have fallen for this propaganda is less understandable - it's the same kind of fear, uncertainty and doubt propaganda that was spread around by the tobacco companies a couple of decades ago, and - by no coincidence - some of the same people who were active for the tobacco compaies back then are active for the fossil-fuel extractors today.

The earth is heating up. Some dumb journalists thought that this meant that every place was going to be warmer all through the year, and siezed on every heat wave as an example of anthropogenic global warming in action. This was rubbush, just as the claim that unusually cold weather is evidence against anthropogenic global warming.

Not true. The earth - as a whole - is still heating up.

The climate hasn't changed much in the past few thousand years. If you go back a bit further we had ice ages. The transitions from an ice age to an interglacial involves the earth - as whole - warming up by about

At the end of the last ice age the warming trend was broken - for 1300 years - by the Younger Dryas, which came on and went away in less than a decade, as the Gulf Stream switched off and turned back on again.

If we let Greenland keep on warming up, the ice cap may decide to slide off into the ocean (as ice sheets are apparently prone to do, based on ocean floor sediment data from the end of the last ice age) and this might be enough to turn off the Gulf Stream, giving you quite enough climate change to ruin the human community around the North Atlantic.

It's not likely to happen, but messing around with the climate - as we are now doing - is not a risk-free pass-time.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I'm in North Florida, we had another night with freezing temperatures, it's 24*F right now, and I'm within a mile of the moderating coastal waters. I'm asking everyone to pray for global warming, I moved from Michigan, I thought I was getting away from cold weather.. Mikek

Being in NH, personally this has been a typical year. I've seen years when we've had 30+ inches of the white crap on the ground for new years, and I've seen years when we've had 2 inches total for the entire winter.

I've seen temperatures where the ice was never really safe all winter, I've seen winters (like this one) where people were on the ice well before Christmas with only a few of them falling through to an icy doom...

As to AGW, it's the weather. What the problem is amounts to a group of people who will do anything for fame, power and wealth, people like Al Gore who has made millions on his global warming scams (he is absolutely one of the biggest con artists that has ever come around, playing on people's ignorant fears, to get laws and treaties passed to help him make big money.)

Anyway, after I finish here, I'm off to plow a bunch of this global warming and push it off to the side of a bunch of driveways. All with my polluting huge truck, with those fun flashing strobe lights!

Bill--stop drinking Al Gore's coolaid!

Exactly.

Queensland stopped building the flood defences recommended after the

Every alarmist who opposed the flood defences should be hanging from a streetlamp. They are guilty, literally, of murder.

It's 25 in Ocala right now.

This is inane. Anthropogenic global warming is progressing steadily, and will progress faster as more people compete to make more money by digging up and burning fossil carbon. That these same people have inversted a small portion of their profits in denialist propaganda is understandable, if immoral. That some of the kind of techniclly sophisticated people who post here have fallen for this propaganda is less understandable - it's the same kind of fear, uncertainty and doubt propaganda that was spread around by the tobacco companies a couple of decades ago, and - by no coincidence - some of the same people who were active for the tobacco compaies back then are active for the fossil-fuel extractors today.

The earth is heating up. Some dumb journalists thought that this meant that every place was going to be warmer all through the year, and siezed on every heat wave as an example of anthropogenic global warming in action. This was rubbush, just as the claim that unusually cold weather is evidence against anthropogenic global warming.

Not true. The earth - as a whole - is still heating up.

The climate hasn't changed much in the past few thousand years. If you go back a bit further we had ice ages. The transitions from an ice age to an interglacial involves the earth - as whole - warming up by about

At the end of the last ice age the warming trend was broken - for 1300 years - by the Younger Dryas, which came on and went away in less than a decade, as the Gulf Stream switched off and turned back on again.

If we let Greenland keep on warming up, the ice cap may decide to slide off into the ocean (as ice sheets are apparently prone to do, based on ocean floor sediment data from the end of the last ice age) and this might be enough to turn off the Gulf Stream, giving you quite enough climate change to ruin the human community around the North Atlantic.

It's not likely to happen, but messing around with the climate - as we are now doing - is not a risk-free pass-time.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Save your breath Bill. Climate change is a political discussion here, not one to be moderated by fact.....

Globally, 2010 was the hottest year on record

Here in parts of southern UK its over 12C, but that's entirely down to wind direction.

For the past few days a SW wind has been blowing warm air in over the gulf stream, if the wind changes (as it often does) to either N or NE we'll get arctic or Siberian winds bringing more freezing temperatures and snow.

February is usually our worst time for snow.

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Rod Serling was a genius...

Mark

We need to remember that all that snow was recently moisture in some big clouds. That moisture came from evaporation from large bodies of water such as oceans.

In areas where the oceans are warmer than normal, greater evaporation occurs. Greater evaporation means one thing, more rain/snow when that warm and wet cloud encounters cold air somewhere, such as CT & MA.

Ask Australia what happens there when the Pacific & Indian oceans are overly warm.

"Global warming" doesn't ever mean that everyone will experience the same few degrees of upward temp change everywhere. It means that some areas will be warmer by several degrees and some areas may not feel the temp change. It is a global temp average.

It also means that everyone will feel the extended effects even though it may not be a temp change in their area. It can easily be huge storms, or vast drought in normally wet areas.

I'm in the western us and here we are seeing much dryer winters where farmers and water using businesses are starting to wonder how bad it will get.

In my own back yard I can see mourning doves sitting in a tree. This was absolutely never seen during my younger days. They flew south before August ended. Now they winter over right here. I'm hoping that penguins don't follow them.

Wilby

I'm not sure we really know. I'm in Central Florida, and the 2005-2007 period saw lots of hurricanes - insurance rates went up, all that.

Haven't had so much as a glimpse of one since. Climate isn't weather...

The Western US was going to get dry no matter what. It was settled by Europeans during an uncharacteristically wet period. About the second winter in Nebraska ( which is not really in the West, but on the periphey of it ) was the Great White Winter, in which record snowfall ensued.

SFAIK, the reason the Anasazi left the West was because of (pre-industrial) dryness.

-- Les Cargill

Fact? there is absolutely no fact that the earth is heating up. The only fact is that you and bill's arrogance makes you think you are intelligent enough to prove things that are not possible to prove. Just because a sine curve is locally increasing at some points in time DOES NOT PROVE that it is always increasing or has a global trend to increase.

All it proves is that you guys are very short sighted and assume that humans must have a significant effect on global climate. Obviously when you make those hypothesis then AGW must be true.

I'm sure many millions of years ago the earth was much hotter than it is today and hence the overall trend must be down. You should be lucky it's not

The facts are you guys will find any trend you want to support your feelings that somehow what man does is evil and wrong.

So all those blizzards in the past were due to global warming too? Even before the industrial revolution?

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You'd like to think so, but there are a variety of measurements available which suggest that you are indulging in wishful thinking.

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Dream on.

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No scientific hypothesis is "true". The best they can manage is "not falsified yet". Neither of the hypothesese that the current - measured

- warming is a consequence rising CO2 levels, and that the observed increase in atmospheric CO2 levels is due to humans burning fossil carbon hace yet been falsified.

That would be be 55.8 million years agom during the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum

the isotope content of the carbonates laid down during that episode are really quite unusual. Various people have come up with explanations. Try reading some of them.

Why?

ngs

Anthropgenic global warming isn't evil - just risky.

Lying about what's going on - which is what Exxon-Mobile's paid propaganda machine is doing - is evil and wrong, but you are too ignorant to see this.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen