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This shows these are people willing to bend rules and go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material for historians.'
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It all depends on your point of view. The leaked e-mails are obviously open to negative interpretation, and doctorbulldog.wordpress,com is delivering negative interpretations with enthusiasm.
Their reactions to the distress felt at Hadley about the downfall of the journal "Climate Research" which has apparently fallen into the hands of a denialist editor are typical.
Denialist editors have published some very poor papers in the past, completely skipping peer review in their enthusiasm to get the paper into the literature (and presumably to collect their bribe from Exxon- Mobil or some other interested party). Academics intensely dislike this kind of behaviour which devalues their published work, while denialist journalists routinely claim that all academics behave like this, and so docotrbulldogs commentators are predictably misinterpreting Hadley's distress to imply that previous editor had been pro-AWG in the same unscrupulous way.
-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
And a search engine for CRU emails
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:01:43 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman wrote in :
That is certainly an aspect, and a normal reaction from those scientists. but there is a lot more then that, especially showing how weak and manipulated their data really is. Ice bears falling from the sky? Public [opinion] manipulation at its worst. One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2 in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science. Sure the oil industry will *perhaps* pull some strings, maybe they even had that uni's server hacked, but fact remains those cycles in climate have always been there, and we better have the energy sources to keep us cool or warm, and do away with the for profit global warming hype. Global warming is becoming almost a religion, where any objective look at it is considered 'evil'. Al Gore should be locked up.
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What makes you think that their data is weak?
Most climate data is manipulated - it wouldn't be comprehensible if it wasn't - and the scientists involved are constantly comparing their - necessarily processed - data with other peoples to make sure that the manipulations are working the way they should be.
The University of Alabama as Hunsville had the responsibility for manipulating a bunch of satellite data, and they didn't do it very well for a number of years, but eventually they got their act together and the current manipulation program - version 5.2 - has brought their data closer to everybody elses than version 5.1 could manage.
One of the scientists involved - Roy Spencer - has some rather strange ideas which might have compromised the quality of his work.
What prompted you to dream that up? And the English translation is polar bear, not ice-bear.
Have you ever looked at a denialist web-site with a similarly sceptical eye?
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People do have a pretty clear idea of how the climate worked during the ice ages and the interglacials. It was precisely the ice core data that the dimmer denialists use to justify their denial that persuaded the scientifically educated that anthropogenic global warming was plausible.
My sympathy about the CO2 storage under your house. For someone who knows as little about physics and chemistry as you do, the - entirely false - analogy with Lake Victoria must be quite worrying. The correct answer to your anxieties would be learn a bit more about the subject, rather than trying to stop the experiment, but "not in my back yard" is a very popular attitiude.
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We have had a more or less cyclic pattern of ice ages and interglacials for the past few million years, but this isn't the only way the earth's climate can vary. The Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum some 55.8 million years ago was an episode of run-away global warming back when the earth was quite a bit warmer - perhaps some 4C waremr than it is now - and suggest that if we let the earth warm up by another couple of degrees were might destablise enough methane clathrate we might be able to enjoy the same sort of 6C spike for some
20,000 years.it is considered 'evil'.
Global warming only looks like a religion to people who aren't equipped to understand the science involved. The denialists who claim to be taking an "objective" look at the science make such obvious mistakes that they can't be taken seriously.
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Ravinghorde is going to be even more of a nuisance than he is at the moment.
His ignorance is such that he regularly quotes real scientific papers to support arguments that they actively contradict.
Given a bunch of private e-mails that he can quote out of context, he can be predicted to find "evidence" for life-time's worth of insane conspiracy theories.
-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Time to sell? Once this sort of "project" has moved along far enough you might not be able to, for the price you'd want.
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The points are addressed in realclimate.org. By Gavin, who is one of those whose emails were disclosed and others who post there. The _truer_ feelings that some climate scientists have for some of the public naysayers are exposed. Oh, well. Too bad.
And absolutely. The hacked material would certainly serve as a great source of material for historians. Same would be true for recovery of the more than ten million emails of the last Bush administration that were "lost."
No leftist considers the NYTimes even close to being in their camp. It's just that NYTimes will publish opinion pieces from the left and right, the net balance of which bothers those on the extreme right (and extreme left, too.) Folks in the middle are less bothered.
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On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0800) it happened Joerg wrote in :
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Could be, I already looked up if CO2 was heavier then air (it is):
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If for some reason pressure shifts down there and a bubble gets pushed up you may not have time to start the turbo-shaft engine in your helicopter. Besides you sitting there slumped over the controls, it also needs some oxygen to work.
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But they'd keep on driving their Volvos :-)
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"In several of the emails, climate researchers discussed how to arrange for favorable reviewers for papers they planned to publish in scientific journals. At the same time, climate researchers at times appeared to pressure scientific journals not to publish research by other scientists whose findings they disagreed with."
Some good stuff here:
" The other paper by MM is just garbage ? as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well ? frequently as I see it. I can?t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. K and I will keep them out somehow ? even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is ! "
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-- Interesting. The sky is falling around the doom and gloom boys, and especially around that insufferable fatass Al Gore leech, and you\'re still kissing their asses because you don\'t want to admit that you were blinded by their bullshit "science". But it\'s not really your fault, poor baby, and because you don\'t know enough about it to allow you to make objective decisions about the conclusions come to by your suicidols, you then tie in with them since they\'re a bunch of crooks who talk the same language you do. JF
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It's not surprising they don't like their critics. But as scientists they shouldn't be a) resisting sharing their data, b) colluding to suppress competing publications, c) or directing one another--or anyone else--to delete their e-mails wrt AR4.
Scientists cooperate, sometimes compete, but never conspire.
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"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." -- Richard Feynman
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.Most scientists have a fair idea of who might be asked to review their papers, and adjust the papers to encourage editors to go for the more constructive and well-informed of the likely referees.
They also have opinions about the kind of work that other people do, the reliability of the results that other scientists claim, and the quality of the papers that they produce. Some people are bad enough that they end up trying to publish in journals on the edges of their field, where the editors won't know how untrustworthy they are. Personal contacts often mean that they don't get away with it.
Obviously not intended for publication, but why would you ever think that because scientists are obliged to publish sober and rational arguments, they aren't emotionally involved in their work?
-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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By which Ravinghorde would like us to know that he thinks of himself as an engineer rather than a scientist.
Since he is - in fact - a fruitcake who can't do joined-up logic, his self-image isn't all that interesting.
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If you had had the benefit of a scientific education you might be aware that the science involved isn't bullshit. If you'd ever worked with academics, you'd be aware that they waste a lot of time on office politics. The e-mails are going to give Ravinghorde a lot of pleasure
- I won't say innocent because he is going to use them to indulge his passion for idiotic conspiracy theories - but they aren't goig to make a blind bit of difference to the science.
You are welcome to review the literature and come to your own conclusions. You haven't ever displayed any kind of physical insight, so it is unlikely that your insight will be worth much, but this is a democratic society, so Exxon-Mobil and similar firms are free to spend millions of dollars concocting plausible lies good enough to persuade the unsophisticated voter to let them keep on making money by digging up and selling fossil carbon for use as fuel.
New Orleans didn't tell you anything, but it is outside the borders of Texas. You will probably have to lose Galveston again before the penny drops.
-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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