HSPICE to PSPICE Conversion

Feb 19, 2005 6 Replies

Hi Guys



I have some SPICE code that runs perfectly in HSPICE but will not run in PSPICE due to issues with "subcircuit expansion." If there's any experts out there who could take a quick look at this and let me know what the issue might be I'd appreciate it.



Thanks


******************************************************
**** circuit description
****************************************************** rs in inp 50 r1 inp vss 1K x1 inp inm out vss my_opamp rf out inm 100K r2 inm vss 1K
******************************************************
**** parameters section
******************************************************
******************************************************
**** sources section
****************************************************** v1 in vss sin(0V 60mV 10x 100ps 0) v2 vss 0 dc 0V
******************************************************
**** specify nominal temperature of circuit in degrees C
****************************************************** ..TEMP= 60
******************************************************
**** analysis section
****************************************************** ..tran 1ns 200ns ..END

Ok,

I actually figured everything out except for one line...

E1 out ref in+ in- MAX=5V MIN=-5V opamp_gain

I'm trying to code a VCVS with maximum and minimum output values, but PSPICE rejects the MAX and MIN parts. Any ideas?

Thanks

Gish wrote:

19 Feb 2005 12:41:24 -0800: Gish (----> snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net) ----> sci.electronics.cad @ :

What's the model for 'my_opamp' subcircuit (subckt)?

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19 Feb 2005 20:25:20 -0800: Gish (----> snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net) ----> sci.electronics.cad @ :

I think that PSpice doesn't support MAX and MIN values.

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Here are a few of the operators in PSpice BEHAVIORAL elements:

LIMIT(x,min,max) result is min if x < min, max if x > max, and x otherwise

MAX(x,y) maximum of x and y

MIN(x,y) minimum of x and y

In addition you must use the BEHAVIORAL syntax of the E-source

So the correct expression for E1 is:

E1 out ref VALUE = {LIMIT((opamp_gain*V(in+,in-)),MIN,MAX)}

..PARAM MAX=5V MIN=-5V opamp_gain=100K

(Or put the numerics directly in the expression.)

This is convergence risk using mathematical limits, since they are hard, and derivatives don't exist at the limit points.

I prefer using the TANH expression:

E1 1 0 VALUE {(tanh(A*V(INP,INN))+1)/2} E2 OUT 0 VALUE {V(1,0)*(VP-VN)+VN}

..PARAM A=100K ; OpAmp Gain ..PARAM VP=+5V ; Positive Limit ..PARAM VN=-5V ; Negative Limit

(Note that exact gain is an interaction between A, VP, and VN (E1 produces 0 ->1), but I'm still too sleepy this morning to make an exact expression :)

...Jim Thompson

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Are you using PSpice "raw", i.e. without schematic capture?

Both PSpice Schematics and Capture (gag me with a spoon) have the correct netlist TEMPLATE contained within the symbol.

(Not that I should be one to criticize. I went for MANY years drawing schematics with pencil and paper, numbering nodes, hand-typing netlists, and batch-loading into Berkeley Spice 2G6 on an old VAX, IIRC, 1170. Then I discovered PC's and bought my first 386 for $6K... cheap because it was a clone :-)

...Jim Thompson

| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:40:10 -0700: Jim Thompson (----> snipped-for-privacy@example.com) ----> sci.electronics.cad @ :

I sometimes end up doing this, even though I have 2 schematic editors here (LTspice and SIMetrix Intro).

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Chaos Master®, posting from Canoas, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W / GMT-2h / 15m . "People told me I can\'t dress like a fairy. I say, I\'m in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!" -- Amy Lee (My e-mail address isn\'t read. Please reply to the group!) For spammers: renan.birck@ibestvip.com.br , or mips_r16000@hotmail.com . Those await for your spams!

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