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I'm not backpedaling in the least. They do, indeed, come on instantly. You ASSUMED that "come on" means "light at full brightness".

Consider tubular fluorescent lights. Many DO NOT come on instantly. But when they do light, it's at full brightness -- at THAT instant, which could be considered the point of turn-on.

Refrigerator bulbs represent such a small percentage of energy consumption there would be no point in switching to CFLs.

Once the color problems with LEDs are solved, there will no doubt be an LED refrigerator lamp.

Very Orwellian, and I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Rather than fawning all over the "royal couple" (it's hard to imagine a more worthless set of parasitical leeches than the "royal" family), it may be time for the Brits to start planning revolution.

Of course we have our own problems with these enviro-nazi types on our side of the pond as well. When a ban on incandescents was planned here I stocked up and have a basement with a lifetime supply of good ol' 100 watt bulbs.

That's an interesting point. If 12% of the population is aflicted with a gentic disorder, or one caused by a disease or trauma, then the National Health should provide them with incadescent bulbs and a susbidy for electricity to run them.

I know the US has the "Americans with Disabilities Act" that would require it, and I'm sure there is something in British or EU law like that.

I would persue it based on what the National Health does for people with macular degeneration and work backwards. At what point is the inability to see defined and where does color blindness affect your daily life.

Geoff.

Besides outdoor lighting where I needed hundreds of watts of incandesent lighting, I used the first for indoor lighting in places that traditionally have lights on timers. In a windowless bathroom an 8 watt CFL provides enough light at so low a cost I just leave them on.

After all a timer uses electricty too, and figuring out when to have it go on and off without leaving people in the dark is an art.

We don't turn lights on or off during the Sabbath, and used to leave the main light in our apartment on all Friday night. We installed a timer to turn it off at midnight (when the last of us goes to sleep) and on again at six AM, (when the first of us gets up), but it will take 200 weeks to even out the cost of the timer and installation versus the cost of electricity. By that time, we will have long since moved out. :-(

Geoff.

It's time for the villagers to gather their pitchforks and burning torch, and storm that infestation in Belgium.

There are small LED replacements that may fit a refrigerator.

I have several motion sensor lights in my house so I don't have to search for a light switch when I have my hands full, or I'm half asleep.

As I've said on a number of occasions, linear flourescent light doesn't affect me in anything like the same way as CFL. I can read perfectly well under it. I work perfectly well under it. I don't find the light displeasing in either colour or quality. I don't know how to reconcile this apparent disparity, as I too have lived under flourescent light for over fifty years. I don't know what my type of colour blindness is called, nor whether it is common in type, or rare. I am apparently red blind and green insensitive, as far as I recall. It is many years since I took the test. I think it meant that I couldn't see some shades of red at all, when they were mixed in with other colours, and that I couldn't distinguish some shades of green amongst other shades of green. Oddly enough though, the light from CFLs always appears to have a slightly 'sick' green caste to me, irrespective of the quoted colour temperature.

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Not wishing to be rude, Roger, but what exactly is it that you purport to know about my country's Royal Family in general, or indeed the couple who today got married, that gives you the right to rubbish them in this way ? For the most part, they work very hard in ambassadorial roles for our country around the world. The one that got married today is a nice enough lad who's a serving officer in our military, and his new wife is a very nice girl who is not herself from a royal background. I have seen little evidence of people 'fawning' over this event. Most seem genuinely pleased for them, and if, in these difficult and depressing financial times, the occasion provides the general population with a bit of a boost, what's wrong with that ?

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Thanks Geo.

Adrian: I phoned this morning but it appears as you suspected that Mr Wright supplies only to those visiting his shop. He did say he'd have a think and "talk to Adrian...". However, I'm pleased to say I've now found another local source. I bought 20 x 60W and they've ordered the same number of 100W.

BTW, I was surprised to learn that no 'pearl' types are now made, all are clear glass.

Yes Terry. See my other posts making mention of this. Apparently, pearlised types were the first to be phased out, because they consume more energy to make than clear ones. Oh brother ! And I suppose that CFLs, with their hundreds of manufacturing processes, don't ... ?

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Linear flourescent tubes usually uses a type of phosphor called halophosphate. That phosphor normally emits light in a very narrow band of the spectrum, and since you are collor blind, probably what happens is that your eyes are fully sensitive to that particular band. In the other had, halophosphate phosphors aren=B4t suitable for CFL=B4s because they produce less light output than triphosphors. A triphosphor can be seen like a mix of three different phosphors, each one emitting in a particular band. The sum of all three produces the light coming from the CFL tube. Probably you are blind to one of these bands, making you uncomfortable with the light.

This is just a theory, of course.

Thanks for letting me know, I'll pass the information on to him. He didn't seem at all keen on posting them when I spoke to him this morning, the chance of breakage is too high.

The website was intended to draw in local trade and his stock changes so rapidly that I have never managed to get it up to date.

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I don't think so. Expanding beyond just fluorescent versus incandescent we can observe more of what is being discussed. For most people, mercury vapor (MV) lighting is easier to read by but tends to make people look ghastly, especially in photographs. On the other hand people look better and photographs look better with high pressure sodium (HPS) lighting, and many find it easier to see large objects especially at very low light levels, but reading is more difficult. It is primarily a matter of spectral intensities and the placement of the various strong lines. Many comparisons of MV vs HPS lighting are available but most rarely touch on these issues, especially the reading and fine resolution issue. Now that white (fluorescent) LED lighting is becoming more available with yet different color balances, the whole subject becomes even more = complicated.

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Nice explanation, and seems on the face of it, to hold water. Good that someone can actually come up with a reasonable theory, instead of telling me that the problem doesn't affect them, therefore I must be wrong, or using the wrong CFLs. I really have tried to embrace these lamps since their first inception, but the fact is that for practical reasons, as discussed, I simply cannot get on with them. Yes, I hate the fact that they have been forced on us for dubious reasons of ecology, and I freely admit that does colour my perception of them a little, but my fundamental problem with them is just that - they are a problem to my (obviously defective) eyesight.

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