a question about resistors in an arc experiment

Jan 15, 2009 381 Replies

That's the circuit I used, in a box with two 9-volt batteries, in my class project ca 1968. I used a 709 opamp, as I recall. It was fun, plugging negative numbers into all the classic circuit equations and seeing the actual waveforms.

Sylvia should try it.

John

It works fine in LT Spice. A -10 ohm resistor connected to a 1 volt battery charges the battery at 0.1 amps.

Perhaps you meant "simulate in hardware." If that's what you meant, you should have said so.

John

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There's (at least) one nice direct application of this idea - compensating for the winding resistance in a DC motor speed controller.

John Devereux

I think it's accurate to call the hardware circuit an *emulation* of a negative resistor. Which can of course be simulated :) But the hardware implementation is - or has - a real, physical, resistance.

John Devereux

You can do that in power supplies, too, to make up for wire resistance to a remote load. A lot of hysteretic buck switchers have inherent negative output resistance, for reasons I don't know.

John

I withdraw my "smart girl" comments.

...Jim Thompson

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slope

Well, the point is to have fun with whatever anybody posts, isn't it?

John

Yeah, I just said it was nice to have a girlie around. :)

Maybe she's cute.

On a related note, I was just contemplating the wisdom of the 19th ammendment, when I remembered that it was immediately preceded by 3 foolish and regrettable ammendments which men alone voted for.

Reply in group, but if emailing add one more zero, and remove the last word.

This is SOP in brush DC motor drives. It is called "IR Compensation" in the industry.

Kilovolts? Where do the kilovolts come from, and when?

John

If you actually know anything about the electrical properties of arcs, say so. Seems what you mostly do is juvenile he-said-she-said crap.

John

power.

He should have listened to them. He might not have died of a morphine OD.

John

Yeah, he might have died of boredom instead. JF

Oh, don\'t be a PITA. JF

power.

See the movie. He was a very stressed-out individual.

...Jim Thompson

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You make my point, and in the least original way possible.

John

power.

Just trying hard not to confuse you, John. JF

From the negative resistor, of course. As the current approaches zero, the voltage approaches infinity. ;-)

Hope This Helps! Rich

That *does not help* !

John

Usually, when an electronics engineer draws an opamp, he's not trying to pass the circuit off as something it isn't.

Sylvia.

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