Operating a relay

Jan 14, 2009 10 Replies

Is there any way to operate a small 12 volt relay with the ringing voltage on a phone line. I have tried to use a bridge rectifier with a capacitor but the relay chaters. Any ideas Rick


There are a few 24VAC relays on Ebay. Would they work on 85 volts (add resistor to bring that down) 25 cycles

I suppose the ring signal can be about 85 volts, but is normally about

90-100. Close enough. It would probably work best to rectify the voltage directly with a FWB, add a 200 VDC capacitor (probably 100 uF or more), and then drop the voltage to the relay. There is a limit to how much power can be drawn from the phone line ring signal, so a sensitive relay might be needed. Even better might be an optoisolator or opto-relay that will work on 5 mA or so. In that case, a 20 uF capacitor might be OK.

If you want to use the phone line with the relay connected, you may need to add a series capacitor so it will not draw DC current when you go off-hook. Or you can sense the off-hook condition and disconnect the relay circuit when the voltage drops or the line draws DC current.

Paul

try a larger capacitor in parallel with the relay.

do you need the relay? could you use a NE2 (neon indicator) + photo-transistor optopcoupler instead?

From what I\'ve been able to determine, ringing voltage can vary from 40VRMS with a 4 REN load to 53VRMS with a 1 REN load.

A typical ringing voltage.

Graham

Thanks Guys for the input I got it I used a very small relay connected to a bridge rectifier with a cap in series on the AC side Works good Thanks

This article says 90 VAC at 20 Hz:

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Here is more detailed information, that indicates 90 VAC into 5 REN:

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It also says that it is 75 VAC in Europe.

Paul

:Is there any way to operate a small 12 volt relay with the ringing :voltage on a phone line. I have tried to use a bridge rectifier with :a capacitor but the relay chaters. Any ideas :Rick

I have done this many times using a 48V DC relay, bridge rectifier and 100uF electrolytic capacitor. The relay (I have a few hundred) is a Meisei M4-48H which has a 7,800 ohm coil. It works perfectly.

:On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:07:12 -0800 (PST), trickyrick wrote: : ::Is there any way to operate a small 12 volt relay with the ringing ::voltage on a phone line. I have tried to use a bridge rectifier with ::a capacitor but the relay chaters. Any ideas ::Rick : :I have done this many times using a 48V DC relay, bridge rectifier and 100uF :electrolytic capacitor. The relay (I have a few hundred) is a Meisei M4-48H :which has a 7,800 ohm coil. It works perfectly.

I forgot to say that the input to the bridge rectifier is DC isolated using a

2uF, 250Vdc capacitor.

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