WHOA! Microsoft strikes again...

I think you need to re-read what he's actually said.

At some point, sure. The other issue is security.

Yes, the Bash command language is certainly old-school. Of course, my family NEVER, EVER uses the command line, they ask "what the heck is THAT?" whenever they see me use it.

I use Win XP to run 2 old CAD packages, otherwise I do ALL my web browsing, email, newsgroups, FPGA design, spreadsheets for parts lists and other stuff in Linux.

Jon

You misquoted me. I live in console mode, and have done since DOS 1.0. GUI programs are okay for occasional use when I don't want to invest the time t o get good at them, but I could never write a book (or even a paper) with W ord, for instance.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I couldn't with Word, but I've written pretty complex things with Frame(Maker). There's nothing wrong with GUIs, though there is a

Already available.

Linux

Andy

GUIs are okay for light-duty use, or when there's some connection with what you're doing--drawing diagrams, for instance. For text? Not so much. I do all my programming in a console-mode text editor (xx) and only use IDEs for debugging.

GUIs are just so slow and clunky compared with console mode.

What little formal project management I do, I do in Timeline 5 for DOS. It's a good 5 times faster than MS Project or Project Libre. For instance, to insert a new task, you don't use the mouse and drill down two menu levels, you hit the key. What a concept!

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

OK, but GUIs work much better than entering netlists. SPICE (ASTAP) was a RPITA when one had to enter the components by node *number*.

I do the same for programming. I prefer IDEs that allow you to bring your own text editor. They tend to be rather personal.

For programs you use every day, perhaps. There aren't that many that I use every day (that could reasonably be used via a command line). I certainly don't use a command line based browser, newsreader, or email program.

What a concept - design the GUI so the user doesn't have to drill to CN to insert something.

I just delegate all that grunt work to my boss - even easier. If he wants fantasies, he can write them. ;-)

Those were the guys who didn't want to cross over the sea or migrate north. They kept taxes somewhat reasonable so now they are making the booze that people from Finland come over to drink :-)

I never understood why one group migrated from the Ural region to Finland instead of following the others to Hungary where it is much less cold.

It is one of the reasons why so many people live in California even though it is a business-hostile and more socialist state. I am often thinking about moving to Utah but my wife would not like the harsh winters, just as she would not like Finnish winters or the mosquitoes in summer.

There is a story telling that the migrants came to a road crossing with sign saying 'North' and 'South'. Those that could read went south to the Pannonian plains and the others came here.

The weather is not so extreme: I have seen in Helsinki +34 C and -36 C, but only once. The more customary range is -25 C to +25 C (whatever they then are in Fahrenheit, Reaumur or Rankine).

The Nordic official relation to booze is then a story in itself. It is something we share with our west side neighbors in Sweden and Norway.

Finland beats Denmark, with Sweden and Norway quite a bit behind (officially)

-Lasse

Wow, Finland, Ireland and Poland are so far behind Lithuania, Russia and Ukraine! O.O

Michael

You mean the Inspiron 2500 parallel port interface device?

Both those computers had a built-in parallel port.

Yes, by "computer" you mean the Inspiron 2500 parallel port interface device. Any machine old enough to have a parallel port is not good for much other than a life support system for the parallel port.

It is a laptop.

Nope. I did CAD, simulations aand whatnot with it until the wheels almost fell off. It logged north of 30,000 hours of operation.

Buying a new and much more modern computer with a parallel port is not a problem either. Many industrial PC makers know how to do that. BTDT and it was not a problem to replace a machine in a test station from the

The operative word is "did".

Can still be done. If you want to have a parallel port on a new machine on the cheap (instead of going via an industrial PC vendor):

Quote "It works great on my Intel Xeon ES-2680 @ 2.70GHz with 16 GB Ran running Windows 7 SP1 64 Bit".

This is important for people who have the dreaded dongle-protection on legacy software that they still need.

Shhhht. Don't let out all our secrets :-)