Time to Upgrade ?:-}

Is there any way to tell what type a specific program is? I haven't updated my PSpice since 2003 when OrCAD Crapture and Cadence stopped improving PSpice (simulator) and tried to force everyone onto Crapture :-( ...Jim Thompson

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Hillary has the charisma of a steamy warm turd. 

Jeb Bush has the charisma of a fresh cow-patty. 

A political contest guaranteed to stink >:-}

I don't know of any method that is certain. I'd say its even worse. One of the 'features' of Windows is that it may work today - but with a 'security update' it may stop working. With diligence you can usually back out of a specific update, but that can become problematic with more and more updates. You may be able to isolate your computer from the web-slime as one alternative.

We run some legacy Windows apps that require 32-bit Windows though the machines are 64 bitters. There's one app with a key dialog window that

- if you have to use it - causes its calling window to go blank. Backing up several steps then forward one or two solves this (for now).

I agree with those who have suggested using virtualization software so you can run particular software packages in cloistered environments, though there can be consequences (e.g. with CPU speed, the display in some circumstances, and possible hardware device interactions).

that shuold work just fine, I doubt very much if that has 16 bit code in it.

There is DosBox however, don't expect to do anything in DosBox that may involve a direct port read/write device, to work.

There are some printer drivers and serial drivers that do emulate a direct port read/write, but don't depend on it working because many devices that did that back then also used software timing loops for reads/writes and that most likely will fail..

Jamie

I think if you open the exe up with a hex editor, and look at x0100, if you see 'PE', then its a portable exe 32bit app.

Also if you change the compatibility settings under Win7, it will only list Vista and up if it is 64bit, 32bit apps will show XP 98 95 etc.

Cheers

Thanks, Martin! ...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Check. I have two HDs that have been sitting around for 3-4 years; no problems. BUT. I have two others that have been sitting around for 6 years and Spinrite had problems with one of them; had to put it into a refrigerator to recover all but one byte in one sector (of course,it _was_ 95F).

Just for curiosity, are these using ECC RAM? The iterative nature of SPICE operation means that a memory error can be very troublesome, and 8G of ECC RAM only adds a few dozen dollars to the cost (if the motherboard supports it).

With highly iterative programs and megabytes of cache, what does the main memory ECC have to do ? After initial loading into cache, everything would run from the cache.

[snip antidiluvian PC spec]

No. Just buy the Win7 pro version of the OS so that you will have an XP fallback license to run in a VM for any tetchy ancient 32 bit apps. You could do it manually with one of several other VM products but I am guessing you don't get on with software so the MS out of the box solution is probably your path of least resistance.

Expect some problems with very old installers on 64bit OS but most things will run in a 32bit VM unless they are very badly behaved.

Many 32 bit programs will run OK on the 64bit OS although their installers which use archaic 16bit components may not!

The huge advantage of 64 bit memory space being >4GB is worth it!

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If you have 32 bit apps to worry about, how come you don't have media for it? I made an image of my old XP machine and can run it as a VM at will. I even tested the OEM install; it works and was activated with Microsoft .

Nearly everything runs on Win7 64 bit IME.

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 18:19:24 -0500, Les Cargill Gave us:

Not without signed drivers.

I just transitioned from XP to W7pro 64-bit. Everything works, and the annoying UI interface changes have been mostly patched up. [1]

Old 16-bit apps won't run. Old 32-bit stuff works fine. And Google Earth works again. Could have been a lot worse.

[1] how can I get rid of the "system view" junk on the left side of Explorer panes?

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I was told that our customer's Sybase/SQL server app won't run on 64 bit wi ndow. So, we are stuck with 32 bit XP VM on 32 bit Linux PM in 64 bit mach ine. 64 bit PM also cause problem with 32 bit XP DHCP.

The 32 bit PM use around 16G RAM using PXE.

From the other thread:

Although they complaints about running $100 electricity with each server, i t's unlikely that they will allow us to move it off the building, let alone another city or state (as suggested for cheaper electricity)

The problem is that these dual Xeon servers don't go into standby. They ar e running at full power at nights and weekends doing nothing. We have alre ady removed half of the CPU, RAM and Engines (Fans). The Fans sound like j et engines before the modifications. We removed half of them and added res istors to the rest. Current electricity bill is around $60.

From: Dual Xeon Quad Core 32G ECC Hex SAS drives Quad Fans To: Single Xeon Quad Core 16G ECC Dual SAS drives Dual Fans

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Use Google Chrome instead. 

John Fields

Pretty painless, except that ctl-home doesn't get you genuine full screen mode.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Visualization frees us from the Microsoft shackle. We don't deal with wind ow drivers any more. Yes, the customer is still running pure window stuff, but the hardware layers are all open source Linux. This allows them to ru n legacy software from latest hardware without the Microsoft tax.

On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 11:58:39 AM UTC-7, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrot e:

ndow drivers any more. Yes, the customer is still running pure window stuf f, but the hardware layers are all open source Linux. This allows them to run legacy software from latest hardware without the Microsoft tax.

Sorry, Virtualization.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:01:26 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com Gave us:

I do not need a primer on Linux.

Not you, but others do. Keeping it all to yourself won't help other people. The customers were skeptical at first on anything non-Microsoft, but once they see the flexible of the setup, there is no going back.