This NG has a Bad name: Repost

Hi,

by "bad" I mean the name is highly ambiguous. Is "design" a noun or a verb round here ? JL and others seem convinced it is a verb: " to design ". But it is every bit correct to think it's a noun: " a design " .

It is very hard to discuss anyone's design without seeing a schematic and this NG is non binary. However it is easy to post links ( pdfs) to schematics found on the web, allowing discussion of them. But that does not work out too well either:

  1. Folk think they see flaws evident in a schem that does not exist in practice.
  2. Others may consider a schem fine when a built version is in fact hopelessly flawed.
  3. Folk like to make comments on a schem while barely understanding how it works or even what it does.

FYI:

I annoyed a few posters here a couple of years back by posting links to schems of well known audio products that were seriously flawed. I challenged folk to spot the flaw or flaws. Nobody here could.

Question for JL:

Where in the above did I mention " engineers " ??? Nowhere. And I was not thinking of them. I was not thinking of bench techs either.

JL wants me to debate his opinions with him. Not bloody doing. Like his faux invitations to post a schem of mine - it's a hostile trap. Since commercial products do not have the designer's name printed anywhere let alone their qualifications - one is left to guess. My guess is VERY few were the efforts of graduate EEs. They are mostly the work of " product designers " working alone or in a small team. Employed by a manufacturer or else free lance.

These guys specialise in particular products, constantly evolving new versions as required by manufacturers to keep them in business. Low cost design using only readily available components is crucial. A product designer must remain very disciplined to this need.

Most manufacturers have the idea that if a prototype works - it's fine to go ahead and mass produce them. Time's a wastin'.

So all non-obvious and many dumb mistakes get through regularly. A small sample wind up on my bench, having failed.

So Phil shakes his head and wonders:

" Who the hell designed this POS ? "

.... Phil

Reply to
Phil Allison
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It's what we call the Aussie version of ISO 9000. "She'll be right!"

Happens all too often, but at least then you get a chance to fix it and bring out a 'new improved' version.

Reply to
Clive Arthur

** Some old problems are gone while brand new, shiny ones are added at the same time.

One Chinese built, pro-audio power amp ( branded Deton ) would blow its 20A supply fuse if the power switch was cycled within 2 seconds. Same for any other event that caused AC loss for less than 2 seconds.

Every one that came into Australia, via a Melbourne importer, had be returned to have a series of mods that I devised fitted.

The naive importer wanted *me* to help the Chinese to fix their terrible design. Had to explain to him there was no point in trying. They would have moved on to a different model by then and I had no knowledge of it.

...... Phil

Reply to
Phil Allison

The fact that these days you can bring out that 'new improved' version as a download on a website lowers the bar even further... why bother to get it right the first time, when you can make your users update the product and try again?

Reply to
Rob

Rob wrote: ==========

** Got SFA to do with electronics design.
** Users hate buggy products.

Puts them off that brand next time the buy.

Reply to
Phil Allison

Raise the price until the reviews say "It has some bugs, but still an exceptional value for someone looking to get into the world of high-end stereos/watches/cars."

They built a whole luxury car brand around that philosophy it's called Audi

Reply to
bitrex

Almost ALL electronics products today have some form of firmware.

I don't think that really works to promote the design of good products. Almost all brands do this these days, and the ones that don't will likely be behind on features or otherwise have points against them when choosing.

Reply to
Rob

Rob the Code Scribbler wrote: ==========================

** Got SFA to do with electronics design.
** Really - yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn......

Go away troll.

.... Phil

Reply to
Phil Allison

Don't kid yourself. The NG doesn't have a name. It's just a collection of self-absorbed types who think they're participating in something with a name. USENET is stone cold dead, it's a dead concept, always was.

Reply to
Fred Bloggs

Posts here get reposted to some non-usenet forums. And this one is still indexed by search engines.

Reply to
jlarkin

You mean they were found by some bot crawler,

Reply to
Fred Bloggs

I somtimes google about some exotic electronic thing, and tend to find my own posts here.

Reply to
jlarkin

Fred Bloggs wrote: ==============

** Read the very first line of my post - f*****ad.
** Like you?
** Makes you a necrophile.

.... Phil

Reply to
Phil Allison

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