This we object to, it's up to us all together whether a thread deserves to be killed or not, not up to you alone.
This we object to, it's up to us all together whether a thread deserves to be killed or not, not up to you alone.
*plonk*
Yep. Still around after Tek sold it to Maxim.
Called "Quickchip" from the old Tek process name.
Robert
Feel free to compose your own posts however you choose, but if you expect me to let you control the way I compose my posts, I suggest that you come up with a compelling reason why I should do so.
I doubt anyone cares whether you do or don't. Perhaps folks just wonder. And I doubt if anyone imagines they can get you to let them control you.
But if you are looking for some reason to consider, I suggest you look at yourself only because that's the sole person you have any hope of controlling. If you like redirecting follow-ups, though, I suppose you should keep at it. Folks will probably point them out, here and there, as evidence of continued pettiness.
Peace, Jon
[1] Setting followups to alt.dev.null is, like all followups, a suggestion to those who reply as to where they should reply. Because I won't see any reply from the person I killfiled and because I don't care what anyone else thinks, I insert a suggestion of no reply from either group. You are, of course, free to ignore my suggestion. [2] Because certain flamers who are now in my killfile posted personal attacks and stated a preference that I not set followups. If such flaming is rewarded, there will be more of it. I prefer less flaming, and thus choose to never, ever give someone what they ask for if the request contains a personal attack.
Yes. In custom ASIC's, while you can adjust L & W in MOS devices, and set resistor and capacitor values, I know of no foundry which allows "rolling-your-own" bipolar geometries. You must also follow a stringent set of layout rules, enforced by running the final layout thru the foundry's DRC (design rules check).
And, for those unfamiliar with all this ASIC stuff... you also run LVS, layout versus schematic... a netlist comparator that checks schematic-derived netlist with netlist extracted from the layout.
...Jim Thompson
If it is evidence of pettiness - which I dispute - then I am in good company The authors of RFC 1036 - Standard for interchange of USENET messages thought that being able to set followups was such an important feature that they made it part of the standard.
My basis for disputing your accusation of pettiness is that it is not petty to propose/suggest that a person who is engaging in personal attacks and whose personal attacks will no longer reach the intended target not reply. The "*plonk*" tells the flamer that the conversation is over from my side. The "Followup-To: alt.dev.null" is a suggestion that the flamer end the conversation from his side.
I am following a time-tested strategy for dealing with flamers; they get to flame me exactly once and then I no longer see their posts. I let them know this with a "*plonk*" so that they and everyone else can understand why subsequent flames get no response. I set followups on the plonk posts to alt.dev.null as an additional attempt to kill the thread. These are techniques which many experienced Usenet users have been using for years.
I find it fascinating seeing the behaviors here that you somehow never seem to find time to complain about.
If one is truly concerned about SNR in this group, such a simple courtesy would make their actions more prominent and appear less devious. Unless, of course, the goal is really to appear devious and perpetuate conflict.
Richard
That's what it looked like to me.
Well, I find fragile/pathetic people merely pathetic, but I'm somewhat revulsed at those who take amusement at the plight of the less fortunate.
Thanks, Rich
No, just the "Guy Macon is a fathead" feature.
Guy Macon, you need either remedial reading or therapy. Once again, you've taken an objection to your own specific behavior, and globalized it to "features that were designed into the fabric of Usenet". This is a symptom of serious dysfunction.
"I set followups ... to kill the thread."
We object to this neurotic behavior, not to the mechanism that makes it possible for you to broadcast it worldwide.
Thanks, Rich
Hello Robert,
Looks great. The only thing I find a bit strange under the "full custom" path is "You can choose from a complete library of transistors, generate custom resistors, capacitors, and diodes, and have complete placement freedom."
Do they make a chip designer stick to prescribed device geometries?
Regards, Joerg
Do you really think people still fall for the alt.dev.null trick? Why bother?
Al
ROTFLMAO!
Cheers Terry
Sheesh, I'm not trying to force you to stop. Did I even ask you to stop doing it?
I'm just wondering what the point is. Obviously people are smart enough to remove the alt.dev.null silliness because they're replying. Presumably it takes extra effort on your part to add it. So why keep doing it?
Al
Just so that my list is complete, are there any other features that were designed into the fabric of Usenet that you object to?
Setting followups is advisory. You still get to decide where your posts go. You can even use your killfile so that you never see those naughty followups that offend you so. This has been explained to you before.
Setting followups is advisory. There exists no newsreader that does not allow the poster to choose where his posts go. I suggest taking personal responsibility for your actions rather than following what you consider to be bad advice and then blaming the person who advised you for your bad decisions. If you have chosen to use a newsreader that silently obeys advisory header fields without giving you a warning or allowing you to change the default behavior, I suggest that you get a better newsreader.
Setting followups is advisory. Some poorly-written newsreaders have the default behavior of starting a post with the entire post that is being replied to quoted, and with the newsgroups line set according to the followup-to and newsgroups header fields, but this in no way reduces the poster's personal responsibility for what is contained in his posts or for where his posts go.
My preference from the start was and still is a newsgroup environment where reasonable people can sit down like adults and discuss their respective behaviors and arrive at a compromise. You and others have decided that you prefer an adversarial relationship. You should not be surprised when this decision of yours results in your stated preferences being ignored. I have preferences too; I prefer discussion about electronics without personal attacks. If you wish me to even consider changing my behavior to suit your preferences, I suggest that you be at least slightly willing to change your behavior to suit my preferences. Did I mention that setting followups is advisory?
"This is not a list. This is not a board. This is not some web page forum with rules and moderators. This is USENET. The wild west of online communication. Where trolls and flames roam rampant. Where you keep your asbestos underpants handy if you lack wit (or have an ego that greatly exceeds your actual abilities). If you don't like it, feel free to run back to the comfortable safety of moderated web forums and mailing lists where everyone lives in enforced peace and harmony in the land of Nod." -Cichlidiot
I see you fail to distinguish between the typical childish flamer, who misdirects threads to upset people, and Guy Macon, who does it for our own good.
It suddenly dawned on me, he's a Democrat ;-)
...Jim Thompson
Hello Jim,
:-(
That's where we had to negotiate an exception for our HV chip design. It was for a disposable so electromigration was ok to an extent. The foundry did not like that at all. "Are they crazy?" and all that sort of thing. It was like racing a car at 8000rpm. The engine will most likely do it but may be pretty much toast and trailing blue smoke at the end of the race.
Regards, Joerg
I think the Democrats will self-destruct trying to pick-off "Mr. Clean" that Bush just nominated to the Court ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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