Stability of older Orcad/PSpice combos?

Apr 24, 2011 144 Replies

It is an improper node formation.

Both because it is off by one character, AND because it breaks design rules, conventions AND standards.

No need for that. They fall on a string, and you place the entire string within a bounding box. You can also create a ground node component to handle it.

Oh boy! You are an inspector too!

Any good assembler or technician or whomever one gets to build one's 'gear' would easily interpret a proper drawing just fine. Without the dopey inspector wanna be.

It is even easier to show in a block diagram where each wire gets a part number. THEN you can route all of them to the same "GND" "box".

That is how large system integrations get done. The components are already built, so they are all represented by a box. Vendor items like downlink converters, uplink converters, and RF Amplifiers, and on the data side, routers and switches, servers, and accelerators, etc. all get boxes that get filled in with component PN, and the rack and slot location they get put in,. So all the wiring gets wire numbers.

So the entire drawing of a million dollars worth of "gear" is boxes with lines connecting to them. Those wires have source and destination tags on them, including the ground fault returns from each chassis. They typically get tied to the ground bus bar that runs the length of the rack. THAT IS THE SAME NODE, even if it is not the same stud.

Now, INSIDE a chassis is a different story. You DO, in many cases (but by no means all), want all internal ground ties at a singular location.

THAT should typically be an Assembly drawing detail, NOT a schematic detail. A schematic is an electrical drawing. You are mixing details from a mechanical assembly drawing and schematic representation.

A bounded box DOES denote a singular tie point. That is why they make them. That is what they are for.

Your 'method' works, but is not the formal method. The formal method would include a written note about the requisite, And the bounded box method.

The "StarTard" method,though able to be interpreted is neither correct nor aesthetic.

Thanks for the opinion, but I actually asked John Fields how he felt about the two examples I posted. No answer.

John

Said the Rat_Bastard who knows nothing and cannot prove he is even working for a legitimate company.

I was responding to the other idiot's stupidity, not you, idiot.

LEARN TO READ, IDIOT!

Actually, fucktard, it is you that has mentioned it now six times minimum in the last 24 hrs.

The solution for that would have been, instead of running two wires to the same point, to use a single wire from point A to point B, crossing the other wire and then, once it was run, to place the dot on the cross. Clearly, your desire to have the tools compensate for your incompetence is what led you astray.

Block-Drag-Begin-End will drag the wires along with the part.

Now you're dictating what's timely and what isn't? You _do_ have a problem!

Well, you did disappear from the conversation. I was afraid you'd had a stroke or something, fell and couldn't get up.

John

Yeah, there's all sorts of weird architecture around here. Victorian, deco, moderne, industrial, moorish, masonic, modern hideous. City Hall is a few blocks away, and its exterior style is sort of a cross between Grecian bordello and homeless encampment. Twitter is moving in a couple blocks away, into what looks like a 1950s department store, which it was. There goes the neighborhood.

Tektronix schematic. I have some Tek schematics that do 4-way single-dot connections, too.

Your pal JT does 4-ways, too.

John

When I examine the timeline of posts, I see no such absence.

Other than that of your intellect, that is, if it ever existed, that is.

Gosh. Seen a doctor lately?

John

Ok, but why on earth do I have to uncheck wires when such behavior is never desired by anyone in his right mind? The guys who write this stuff should occasionally do an actual design :-)

Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.

Oh no, I am not going to try anything like that with software that has behaved unstable right from the beginning. That's like walking a plank and trying to see what happens if you step onto the edge.

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The thing I like about PADS is that is isn't some Paint program kluged for electronics, it was obviously written to enter schematics. A wire isn't a line on a screen, it's a connection. If you ever try to end it without making a true connection, it snaps out of existence. If you delete a connection, all of it disappears, without dangling segments.

John

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See my post on annotating star grounds, etc. ...Jim Thompson

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Amateur. I regularly select a block, then unselect "stubs" that I don't want to drag (or move). ...Jim Thompson

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Try Eagle some day. It doesn't require such nonsense, it just works. It is IMHO a much better schematic editor.

Exactly what good does it do that wires push into the rest of the schematic without first unselecting them?

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bundle

...and

PSpice Schematics just works too.

But I don't understand (not unusual with you :-)... when I select an area, it's a rectangle... there are often things inside that rectangle that I DON'T want to move, so I unselect them.

What's your problem?

Stop using Crapture ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Probably done just for fun, like the little guys they sometimes drew on their schematics

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