On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 12:47:33 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote: >
>> The consumer tax credits are pretty good- now you get one for even a used EV? >
>Don't know if the domestic content will apply to used EV. If so, it's truly inflation (budget deficit) reduction, since almost none would qualify. Definitely will reduce inflation right before Biden is up for re-election.
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>The idea may be good, but impractical for next few years.
Imagine a circle of friends who keep selling one old Tesla in a loop. Every sale gets kilobucks of used-EV tax credit.
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Ed Lee
No, even Tesla won't qualify. The battery must be made and material mined in qualified area. It's complicated.
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Fred Bloggs
They're saying Musk really came through for Ukraine by giving them free access to his Starlink network. All these assassination type drone strikes against the Russians are made possible by cell phone tower triangulations the Ukrainians are doing. The Ukrainians are immune to that with Starlink.
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Anthony William Sloman
It seems to be pretty attractive in Australia.
Half the cost of the electricity I buy pays for the cost of the distribution net work. If the solar cells are on your roof, and you use them to charge your own Tesla Power Wall or something like it, you don't have to pay the costs associated with distributing that chunk of power. The utility company will probably slug you harder to cover the cost of distributing the residual power you buy from time to time, but if you don't have to distribute your own power you save a lot because you don't have to pay for that
Then solar cells got cheaper and marginally more productive.
But the grid isn't free.
Australia doesn't have any nuclear power generation at all. We've got just one high neutron flux nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights. I even interviewed for a job there to work on the electronics for their new neutron diffraction set-up, but didn't get it. Nuclear isn't much good for intermittent loads. Grid storage is a lot better, and fast start gas turbines do work, but they aren't cheap.
It's still pays off better to power the central heating for half the night from the battery than it is to sell the same number of kilowatt hours back to the grid. The power companies may not like it, but they have to live with it.
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Fred Bloggs
I looked up that crummy little Powerwall thingamajig here:
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biggest one is 13.5kWh. You do understand that at ten cents per kwh that is $1.35 daily or $41 per month, so at $8500 price that would be 210 months payback or 17 years. That's 7 years past warranty or 3 years past the 5,000 cycles. The later ones have this other 37.8Mwh warranty or 2800 total load dumps which is even less. Go ahead and scale all that with your per kwh rate. Things get even worse when you start looking at typical loading. It's a misrepresented worthless technology unless maybe you live in a tent.
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Anthony William Sloman
Or someplace where residential power is more expensive. It's about $A0.20 per kW.hr in NSW, Australia at the moment, or $US 0.14. Curiously, the Power Wall 2 is also cheaper here - it's only $A10,500 or $8,500 each if you buy two, and there is still a 26% government tax credit available so you actually have to pay even less.
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