QFN packages and layout on crowded PCBs

I've been looking at alternative chip packages to improve routing on tight boards. It seems like the issue is space for vias. Leaded surface mount parts have space under the chip body for vias. Most QFN devices do not, they have a thermal pad.

A 16 pin TSSOP has a solder pad footprint of 5 mm x 7.3 mm, leaving a 5 mm x 4.3 mm space underneath for routing. I can fit a bunch of routing and vias in that space. The current layout has 7 vias under this package.

An alternative package is a 16 pin QFN, 4 x 3.5 mm. The part is much smaller, but it has a thermal pad that occupies nearly the entire space under the part, leaving no room for vias, or even routing. So it has to all be done outside the pad footprint which is 4.3 mm x 4.8 mm.

Looking at a layout, it seems to me to be pretty much be a wash, at best. The pads are now on 0.5 mm centers making it hard to add vias staggered on just two rows, given 6/6 mil design rules and 24 mil via pads. Pretty much all the saved space gets eaten up by moving the vias outside the pad outline.

Are there other reasons to use QFN packages for parts that don't have thermal issues? I've never heard anyone say they have particular issues with QFN devices, but are there any real advantages other than getting power through the thermal pad?

Reply to
Ricky
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How much power does the chip use? If you don't care about thermal, you can use a smaller pad and have room for via. Smaller thermal pad is better than none for secure mounting.

Reply to
Ed Lee

A pcb thermal pad smaller than the pad on the part invites shorts to vias.

QFNs are hard to rework and hard to probe. Expect damage from probe slips.

Reply to
John Larkin

I don't define the size of the thermal pad. That's on the chip. I don't need to use the pad at all, from what I understand. But I would not want to run traces under the thermal pad on the package, even if the traces have solder mask. I certainly would not want to place vias under the thermal pad on the chip. That would result in shorts to the thermal pad on the chip which is typically grounded.

Reply to
Ricky

That's what blind vias are for.

Reply to
Ed Lee

Define a custom layout without thermal pad.

Blind vias.

Reply to
Ed Lee

Actually, you don't care w/wo thermal pad for blind vias.

Reply to
Ed Lee

Never mind. Ignore this:

You do care.

Reply to
Ed Lee

Or externally insulated (painted) thermal pad.

Reply to
Ed Lee

LOL!

Reply to
Ricky

How can the via be blind when it needs to connect to the layer the pad is on???

The problem is getting traces from this part, to the rest of the board. I take it, you don't do much layout yourself?

Reply to
Ricky

I guess it's regular vias with sunglasses (solder mask).

Reply to
Ed Lee

"I guess it's regular vias with sunglasses (covered solder mask)". Wrong term i supposed.

Haven't done it for some time.

Reply to
Ed Lee

Blind vias cost more.

John

Reply to
John Walliker

Glue a thin plastic to the chip, or paint it. Very cheap.

Reply to
Ed Lee

At this size things get really different. The thermal pad he has is not that big either so masking it won't buy him a lot. The 6 mil he does is largish for parts like this, I do 4 mil with

0.2 holes, not that this would buy him a lot of area. 0.1 mm holes are also an option but not within the typical "standard" offerings. QFN has always been the worst package one has to deal with for me, one just does what is possible and pray no rework is ever needed. I am so traumatized by the reworks I have had to do with a qfn ethernet phy that recently I unsoldered and soldered it back countless times and the green LED on the RJ45 just would not get on as usual. Until I found out I had been plugging the wrong cable, hanging empty at its other side....
Reply to
Dimiter_Popoff

We're designing a small, super dense board right now and blind+buried vias were suggested. Sounds tricky to me. One problem is routing out of a big Zynq 0.8 mm BGA. The cost of two more board layers is about a wash with blind/buried.

You can't probe or hack a buried via.

But in this case, a surface pad still needs a surface via, and that still collides with the power pad.

Tiny via-in-pad is a possibility for a QFN, but that could get nasty too.

All these problems can be solved by applying money.

Reply to
John Larkin

Depends on how many pins/pads are routed. Plugged vias on the signal pads are also possible.

Reply to
Ed Lee

That will be labor intensive and will lift the chip off the board, with solderability issues.

Reply to
John Larkin

Plugged vias with high temperature solder.

Money is no issue for some people.

Reply to
Ed Lee

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