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Even sociology is subject to real world verification, and AGW fails with amazing consistency. Experiment, per se, is not always necessary (or even doable), but real world testing (does this model predict historical data correctly and has it predicted recent experience and many other verification tests). The AGW models also have failed this with amazing regularity.

Yea, yea, i know, preaching to a mixture of the choir and unfaithful.

So, your argument is that you're a poor judge of source code when you see it, and that it's all over your head anyhow. And, you can say this without reading the code, or trying to see if it makes sense. Therefore, the code is reliable.

You argue from faith: blind faith, sight unseen, in people you don't know, their measurements, their adjustments, their understanding of the processes, their integrity, and their code. All these are necessary.

I've seen the code I critique; you say it's pure, though you've never looked. That's faith.

I argue from knowledge, confirmed and supported by an expert with impeccable recommendations from someone I know, trust, and respect.

I've linked to the code zillions of times before. Here's a starting vector:

From there you can get descriptions of each model, FROM its AUTHORS, see the obvious limitations in summary form, and access source code where it's available.

You'll notice that I pointed that shortcoming out years ago, here? And you, with no knowledge, denied it.

You're leaping to a conclusion. I never said or intended that.

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Well after having read it, adjusting the natural data with data from an airport (an obvious hot spot) seems to be beyond injudicious.

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As reasonable as that is, it is still not done. WHY?

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That's some 300 years after the Vikings abandoned the colony. Glaciers, like rivers, dig out new channels from time to time. This isn't a farm that is now buried under the ice sheet, or anything like it.

Except that he had moved on some 300 years earlier, so the glacier didn't contribute materially to his decision (unless he was remarkably prescient, and somebody who was that prescient wouldn't have moved in in the first place).

And I like the image of the famer fleeing from the on-coming glacier with all his possessions loaded onto sledges being dragged away by his team of snails.

But the ice sheet wasn't growing directly on top of the farm, was it ...

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Sorry Jan. Your kind of thinking may tend that way, but only because it is insensible of the scientific evidence.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Most fraudulent scientists are smart enough to slink quietly away when their fraud is discovered. Slowman has no such IQ. ...Jim Thompson

As far as I know it was.

What does that matter? Fact is, temperatures became colder and colder until the settlers simply could not stick it out anymore because the land would not sustain them anymore. This is evidenced by numerous archaeological finds, such as farm dogs that were slaughtered and then eaten. Then some areas of theirs were taken over by ice. When you see a tsunami coming would you just wait there and see, in hopes that it might go away on its own?

Since the remnants of those farms have been found under the ice it is proven that there was no ice back then. And today there is. Same at Schnidljoch. Do you have any other explanation how Roman coins got there?

No, but obviously the growing ice pack caused it, didn't it? I have the feeling you will not accept any proof and will try to find all sorts of excuses and hair in the soup. What's next? Their language wasn't Norwegian enough anymore so they don't count?

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Right. I'd got my Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry in 1970, which made me dangerously vulnerable to scientific evidence. Al Gore has only just finished his undergraduate studies in 1969, so he really can't be blamed.

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Only to those who don't have some understanding of the issues involved.

Ignorance may be bliss, but - like most drugs of addiction - it can seriously damage your health. In this instance, it can also damage the health of your off-spring.

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Unfortunately, real life is less accomodating.

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Positive feedback doesn't necessarily lead to instability.

The currently accepted explanation of the regular oscillation between ice ages and interglacials over the past few million years requires a limited amount of positive feedback to amplify the Milankovitch forcing up to a level where they could create the temperature swings we can deduce from the historical record.

The last time I heard about an electronic engineer making an equally ridiculous claim was when I was being told about a guy who had taken a circuit of mine which used a smidgin of positive feedback to linearise a platinum resistance thermometer, and ripped out the positve feedback "because it would make the circuit oscillate". Someone at Honeywell had the same idea at the same time, and it didn't make their circuit oscillate.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Joel, please reset your quoting to default. It is easier to read.

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Why don't the likes of Raveninghorde & yourself ever check the material you find and post.

Ian Wishart is not a professor. A google or wikipedia search would have quickly revealed that. He is a journalist/publisher who inhabits the conspiracy theory end of the publishing world.

A review of Air Con is at

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the threatened legal action has not eventuated.

I took a stab in the middle of that youtube video. After referring to claims of melting icecaps, he's talking about possible sea level rise and how the landscape behind him used to be at the bottom of the ocean and is now 100m above, and CO2 has had nothing to do with that. That's entirely correct, what he doesn't mention is that the landscape is in New Zealand and it has uplifted due to tectonic plate movement, nothing to do with sea level change due to changing amounts of water stored as ice.

Perhaps the conspiracy is coming from your favoured sources, but I've always preferred the saying about not atributing to conspiracy that which can more simply be explained by stupidity.

-- Regards Malcolm Remove sharp objects to get a valid e-mail address

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Jan, a government is a real omnivore. It will consume anything, including that or those who established it to stay alive.