Ping Bil Slowman; The global warming hoax reveiled

You're obviously speaking from personal experince. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

America,

Only problem is that the proof doesn't seem to be in the pudding:

They should know better than to publish something like this without _showing_ the underlaying statistics :-)

Here in Northern California people look at their water bills, they see drought rates being charged more and more often. Warmingists predicted we'd be swamped with precipitation by now. Didn't happen.

Then they look at their heating bills. Amounts of required fuel rising, for example we went from 2 cords to 4 cords. So it ain't getting warmer. We would never again buy a house with a pool around here.

This is a middle class neighborhood with a fairly high percentage of engineers, so you'd normally assume people with a pretty level head. Nearly all now think that AGW is just one gigantic ruse to raise taxes in one way or another. Again, this is not me ranting, it's what we hear from the people. Meaning voters :-)

After the mainstream media clues up to Obama.

Peer review? You are joking! Please keep up with the topic.

Peer review in climate science is less valid than using a ouja board.

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In one email, under the subject line ?HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL,? Phil Jones of East Anglia writes to Mann: ?I can?t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow--even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!?

?This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the ?peer-reviewed literature?. Obviously, they found a solution to that--take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering ?Climate Research? as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal.

We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board...? and they show in the temperature record, AMO and PDO /end quotes

By the way, MEDIEVAL WARM PERIOD and LITTLE ICE AGE, which you deny, are back. Your pope has changed his mind and they show in the temperature record, AMO and PDO.

But as Mann submitted before climategate he is still fudging the record:

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yes, Tiljander series are still used as inverted.

This means that if a proxy has a strong inverted correlation to the (two-pick?) local temperature, it gets picked ? no matter what the physical interpretation is! Since RegEM doesn?t care about the sign, it is now really so that the sign does not matter to them anymore. Anything goes!

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I have redefined the peer review process, Joerg now lives in Indonesia.

Nice to see Monbiot, in your favourite rag, is still calling for Jones to be go and that Jones "advocating potentially criminal activity".

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When it comes to his handling of Freedom of Information requests, Professor Jones might struggle even to use a technical defence. If you take the wording literally, in one case he appears to be suggesting that emails subject to a request be deleted, which means that he seems to be advocating potentially criminal activity. Even if no other message had been hacked, this would be sufficient to ensure his resignation as head of the unit.

I feel desperately sorry for him: he must be walking through hell. But there is no helping it; he has to go, and the longer he leaves it, the worse it will get. He has a few days left in which to make an honourable exit.

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Actually, it's parallel to the road; the thing is, the road is a very gentle downslope, which you don't notice, and it "feels" flat. It's like you get inured or something. ;-)

I don't know how to get there except out the back gate of Beale - I'm sure there's a highway number, but I never learned it - we always just went by landmarks. :-)

Cheers! Rich

Mark Steyn: "Climaquiddick". ;-)

Admittedly, he makes no bones about being a hard-right-winger.

Cheers! Rich

America,

Did you read through at least half the article I mentioned above?

Which publisher, Joerg? The link I mentioned or the link you did?

If you are talking about the USA Today article, my motivation was to show you that you are being very selective in choosing that isolated data point.

Just as I might choose a 6-sigma noise-spiked data point to try and show you a rise when you know darned well the trend of the data was to fall. You'd rightly point out my mistake.

As I did, yours.

None of that changes anything about what I said. Climate is averages and I think you _know_ this.

If you said, "the average voltage, at 1Hz bandwidth, at this node is 4 volts" and I responded by using a high bandwidth tool and pointing out a 5 nanosecond spike at 8V and said, "no, it's 8V", you'd know I was being disingenuous. And you'd be right.

If you are interested in access to specific details, you might read:

However, if scarfing through a database is a pain, an informed summary of the circumstances of mountain glaciers around the world can be had from: Cogley, J. G., 2009, "Geodetic and direct mass-balance measurements: comparison and joint analysis," Annals of Glaciology 50,

The average is remarkably different from your attempt at using an isolated data point.

Jon

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I?m not too impressed, especially when you see where the weather station for National Institute of Water and Atmosphere (NIWA) is, right on the rooftop next to the air conditioners:

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SNIP

More rats jumping ship.

Alarmist Andrew Revkin of the New York Times:

A long blog but includes a bit from Mike Hulme of University of East Anglia (home of leaked emails).

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The key lesson to be learned is that not only must scientific knowledge about climate change be publicly owned ? the I.P.C.C. does a fairly good job of this according to its own terms ? but the very practices of scientific enquiry must also be publicly owned, in the sense of being open and trusted. From outside, and even to the neutral, the attitudes revealed in the emails do not look good. To those with bigger axes to grind it is just what they wanted to find.

The tribalism that some of the leaked emails display is something more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures; it is not attractive when we find it at work inside science.

It is also possible that the institutional innovation that has been the I.P.C.C. has run its course. Yes, there will be an AR5 but for what purpose? The I.P.C.C. itself, through its structural tendency to politicize climate change science, has perhaps helped to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production - just at a time when a globalizing and wired cosmopolitan culture is demanding of science something much more open and inclusive.

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America,

Yes. Thing is, with all the AGW claims there ought to be a significant average rise since 1948.

Yours, USA Today. Mine is affiliated with NOAA, which I believe even the warmingists wouldn't dispute.

I am not so sure it is one. But I also don't want to rule it out.

And that 8V spike could be the root cause why a chip always fails so you'd have made a valid and concerning observation :-)

I know that most glaciers are receding for a while now. That has happened in the past as well, and then they grew again. What I harbor doubts about is that this is human-caused. These doubt haven't exactly been reduced after the revelations of emails lately.

As you said, climate is averages, but we must look much, much farther than just 50, 100 or 150 years. As has been discussed here before, there has for example been homesteading and farming in areas of Greenland that are now under a thick layer of ice. Of course that is an inconvenient truth for warmingists. Bill might claim that Exxon-Mobil has gone there in the dead of night, drilled holes, dropped some Viking tools and artefacts down those holes and then poured water back into them :-)

You did see the smiley after my initial comment "Maybe it hasn't heard of AGW and someone should tell it", did you?

of America,

The underlying statistics are rather tricky. A glacier represents a weighed average over quite a number of years - they don't flow fast - and water that falls as snow in winter tends to be of more use to the glacier than water that falls as rain in summer. There were some years of very heavy rain from 1992 to 1998, and they presumably haven't got to the end of the glaciers yet.

Isn't happening at the moment. Presumably the Northern Pacific Multidecadal Oscillation is giving you dry phase,

At the moment. Presumably the Northern Pacific Multidecadal Oscillation is giving you cooler air from further north than it used to (carrying less water vapour). In due course it will probably give warmer wetter weather, with an added extra-global warming bonus.

Sure. The propaganda funded by Exxon-Mobil and other fossil-carbon extraction industries has been depressingly effective.

Exxon-Mobil - amongst others - have recycled the techniques and organisations (and some of the people) that the tobacco companies had used to minimise the impact of the scientific evidence about the dangers of tobacco smoke.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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No. The areas that that the Vikings farmsteaded during the Medieval Warm Period have never been coverd with thick ice. You can still see the walls of their church at Hvalsey

There are suggestions that the Viking settlement wasn't so much frozen out as out-performed by the Inuit when they got there - the Inuit had better boats, better fishing techniques, better hunting techniques and warmer clothing, and the Vikings couldn't live on what the Inuit left over.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

rs-in...

Good groupthink comrade Rich! Now if we could only convince Joerg, but he's hopeless. He's a denier.

-- Cheers, James Arthur

"Science" journalists who don't know much about science do tend to take this line. The paper that Jones and Mann were objecting too weren't a "dissenting view" but a scandalously inept piece of denialist propaganda, whose publication prompted three members of the editorial board to resign.

The publisher apparently got the message, fired the editor and replaced him with one of three board members who had resigned.

Ravinghorde will probably see this as an example of the academic mafia trampling on the First Amendment right of everybody to publish what they like, but the scientific community has always insisted that papers published in peer-reviewd journals meet certain well-known quality standards, and when these standards haven't been met the community does tend to move in to enforce better quality control (in precisely the kinds of ways that Mann and Jones discussed). This is an integral part of the scientific method.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Anything but. The journalist is treating a highly necessary bit of quality control as "suppresion of dissent". If they'd done theri job properly, they'd have found this out.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

We are waiting for that bonus since about 8 years. When is "due course"? Are we there yet? When are we there? I want my share of global warming.

Yeah, your old conspiracy theory.

You would. You are just as ignorant as Ravinghorde, and gullible enough to swallow his fatuous conrspiracy theories.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen