OT: UK to move back to imperial units?

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And there you are -- someone already makes them.

Nice.

Cheers, James Arthur

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On your recommendation, I've been meaning to give Joe Rogan a listen.

Letting people do what they want in life (freedom, as long as they don't injure another person), and keep the fruit of their labors, makes sense to me.

And when it's easy for people to start new things, when you don't hold them back with boundless & arbitrary blockades, creativity and innovation flower. Which produces a wealth of innovation & prosperity for everyone (since these innovations are almost always aimed at improving someone's life somehow). Just about every American man-on-the-street I talk to has an idea for some great invention.

Having a centralized power that directs things, takes one man's labor and gives it to another man, is both unfair and ripe for corruption. (A centralized system invites single-point failures, like, "Oops, we elected a vegetarian with a scrawny mustache. Now what?" Or, "Gee, I guess those collectivist farms weren't such a good idea after all.") Those are horrible economically, and repressive politically. No bueno.

Cheers, James Arthur

Right. It took me a few decades to wrap my head around it, but it amounts to this -- we've handed out $22 trillion dollars in coupons for merchandise that doesn't exist. (A lot more if you count Social Security and, especially, Medicare.)

So, necessarily, at some point we'll have a bunch of people running around with coupons, but not able to cash them in on all those goodies that never existed.

Cheers, James Arthur

George Herold wrote in news:5186f749-0f70-4595- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

I too like the pumpernickel.

In Cincinnati and I guess NYC it is still around. In so many cities, however, I have to pay premium prices for rye, when the flour is not overtly more expensive.

rye bread is pretty much required at lunch here, something like this:

liver paste on rye bread with pickled beetroot

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Libertarian means minimum government, and the left works on the principle t hat government intevention can help (as ir clearly does in Scandinavia and norther Europe).

But who is proposing that?

Sweden collects more of it's GDP in taxes (55%) than pretty much any other democracy, and it's society works rather better than most.

Places like Germany and the Netherlands don't collect as much (more like 45 %) and provide a pretty good quality of life for everybody who lives there.

The US collects only 30% and has social problems which mostly come down to the less-well-off not being well looked after. The fact that the very-well- off in the US have enough political clout to rig things to suit them (like having the governement collect only 30% of the GDP in taxes) doesn't help.

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What James Arthur fails to recognise - probably deliberately - is that demo cratic socialism doesn't go in for centralised control of the economy. Plac es like Scandinavia are happy to let the free market handle the allocation of capital.

The communists weren't, but that's totalitarian socialism, which is what go t Karl Marx and the proto-communists thrown out of the international social ist movement in 1871. There were a bunch of predictions at the time about w hat might go wrong with that aproach, and Stalin and Mao demonstrated them to be correct.

James Arthur is resolutely blind to this.

At the moment, creativity and innovation seem to be doing rather better in Europe than they are in America. Europe doesn't have as many venture capita lists as the US, but it does have rather more well-educated people with goo d ideas.

These are less likely to take their ideas to US venture capitalists than th ey used to be. It can involve living the US for some time, and that's a lot less atractive than it used to be.

NY raisin pumpernickel is amazing.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Oh, It's 3 hr's but the latest talk with Eric Weinstein is gem. You could also listen to Eric talk with his boss, Peter Thiel... TBH that is better than Joe Rogan, for the geeks among us. Libertarian lefties, our bond with libertarians on the right is we equally hate the authoritarians on both sides. What are these people doing? For instance you can't have your cat declawed in NYS anymore. (mind you I have cats, and would never think of declawing.) But WTF is NYS doing by banning this? It's similar to abortion, where both side are crazy, but of course much more serious.

Well I'm a man who thinks there needs to be some regulations, we can't have person X, fouling the water for everyone down stream.

(It's late and I'm way behind on my X-chapter reading.:^)

George H.

There is no libertarian left, left. The whack-a-doodle authoritarian left has put them out on the ice flow.

Huh, the rye bread here is different. It's got a hard crust, and a bit lighter on the inside. It makes great toasted cheese sandwiches! I use NY aged cheddar with caramelized onions..

George H.

Well here I am drifting along. :^)

George H.

Yes, that's why it is nice that we have two parties that share power. When the Republicans are in power government increases. But when the Democrats are in power government increases. Nice that they compliment so well.

So what sort of mess would we be in if the government had never borrowed th e money in the first place? Likely the same mess we would be in if the gov erment didn't spend the money it borrows. Oh, you forgot about that part o f the equation? Yes, the money is spent. It's not a bunch of money create d with nothing pumped into the economy. Loans are just money being spent b y someone other than the person providing the loan.

Do you think the enormous mortgage debt is creating the same damn mess as t he national debt? They are the same order of magnitude, national debt is a bit less than 3 times the mortgage debt and less than twice the total cons umer debt. Are consumers all in trouble? Then there is all the commercial debt, about half again the national debt. Are businesses all lost too?

So by the same token you feel female genital mutilation should also not be banned?

Sure, that's the part about "as long as they don't injure another person." That's a proper role of government. Not necessarily a federal role though; many of those things are best done by states or cities.

Jefferson put thusly "still one thing more, fellow citizens. a wise & frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, & shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. this is the sum of good government;" --Thomas Jefferson, 2nd Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

Cheers, James

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Oh US will just rob an other country, I think Venezuela is now a target, as was Iraq, and they are thinking Iran too, as was Korea, so many others... Pity US weapons are such worthless snake oil crap like F35.

China just hit back with no more US agricultural imports. If that does not bring trump to the negotiating table then he will not be re-elected. US is just a bunch of wild cowboys that think they can do to the rest of the world what they did to the Native Americans, your leader is a nut case Jewish puppet. It is time the real fight starts and then somebody else, the one that wins, will hold th puppet strings US technology is way behind.

Too much alcoholism, drugs, old women in power, cluelessness, soon to be followed by local warlords and cannibalism, and that thinks it can run the world.

Why would there be a mess? Promising people things that don't exist creates the mess. But they don't realize it until later.

All government spending is ultimately a tax, money taken from the economy. Borrowing just delays the bill, a way of hiding the tax.

Yes actually, that's exactly what it is. That's why they had to create it. Money represents goods and services. Taxes are when the government takes some of your goods and services, to spend on a public good (hopefully), or to give to another person who gets your goods and services without paying you for them (socialism).

The federal government uses borrowing to create money for goods and services that it has not yet taken from the citizens. That is, to promise things it cannot deliver.

Cheers, James Arthur