OT: Kenny Boy won't be sucking up any more tax dollars

True, that's why I noted the _criminal_ conviction is expunged. Civil procedures can still proceed against Lay's estate, and most certainly will.

We basically agree. The estate has the right to defend itself, which defense will be manifested as lawyers, working for said defense, draw down the assets of said estate with their fees. As in nature, after the hyenas come the vultures. Then the insects.

Having known a few sociopaths, one really tragic aspect is how many others they're willing to hurt to get their comparatively small portion of the booty. Lay did what he did, and I doubt it was for even 0.1% of the spoils. His estate won't be worth much.

James Arthur

I understand that he had two or three opportunities, and that Sandy Berger stole some of the relevant memos from the National Archives and destroyed them. It's astonishing how good the Clintons are at getting others to do their dirty work, and take the falls, for them. Charisma or something.

John

"Circular" blow jobs ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

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Reading the story as it unravelled, and Berger's statements in particular, he very much reminds me of Lay, articulating his ever-evolving version of 'the truth.' From 'mistake' in taking the classified documents to 'sloppiness' to 'believe I probably discarded,' ultimately to an admission that he personally shredded three lengthy reports with a pair of scissors...

Appalling, what Sandy did. And for what? Although embarrassing for them, those documents might've helped future administrations avoid similar mistakes.

Best, James Arthur

The biggest miised opportunity was for us to pull out of Iraq in the

90s. We were technically at war with them the whole time and we bombed them almost everyday. The ill thought out ground war was just the logical conclusion to a decade of bombing. Especially since 9-11 took "death from the air" away from us as a foreign policy. We seem to forget that most of the world had already abandoned the idea that "no fly zones" were doing anything and the human rights issues of dead civillians were being raised.

On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:35:55 +1000, The Real Andy Gave us:

Yes, you are!

Now you are just meaningless tripe. What's PA? Party Animal?

Oh boy. It is YOU'RE, DUMBFUCK.

As in, You're STILL a f****ng retard.

I guess a working class retard is something to be...

You got that right.

Oh.... your assessment hath cuteth me to the quick...

...N O T

Fuck off.

That's the second most retarded thing one can do in Usenet. To announce your filter file edit(s). Oh boy! We're impressed (not).

The most retarded thing in Usenet is to use a filter to begin with.

On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:38:46 +1000, The Real Andy Gave us:

The word for today is:

O B T U S E

You are obviously still a pubescent adolescent.

On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 07:38:45 -0700, Jim Thompson Gave us:

Shouldn't that be "PLONK YOU, ASSHOLE!"

Then there is "PLONK YOU ASSHOLE!"

What does a plonk look like?

Tee Hee Hee :-]

On 6 Jul 2006 10:21:01 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com Gave us:

If he hasn't (didn't) already sell it or transfer it.

You keep observing it by looking in the mirror.

Actually, no; YOU blew it -- big time. I'm one of those East Coast Liberal Jews for which you have no use. Yep, Jim, we're EVERYWHERE.

Ahh, my dream has come true! I've been plonked by the master. Just like your President ... you swat down any opinions and ideas with which you disagree.

-a

Dang, after all that I forgot to hit ctrl-k.

Another low life Texas hick bites the dust- may the piece of trash rot in hell for eternity, and good goddam riddance to *it*.

Yes, but isn't Texas a community property state. Lay's widow owns half. AIUI, that half is free and clear, unless they can prove she was a co-conspirator.

There won't even be bones to pick over. Even scavengers have to have something left to eat.

$40M left, from what I gather.

--
  Keith

The gains, however, are ill-gotten. If you die robbing a bank, even your widow doesn't get to keep your cut.

Best, James Arthur (IANAL)

There was a lawyer commenting on this on a local station the other day. If Ken Lay has filed an appeal (and certain other conditions have been met), his death prevents that appeal from proceeding. Under certain conditions, this is the equivalent of a 'not guilty' finding.

The condition that is of the most interest is how this finding might affect ongoing civil suits which seek to recover his ill-gotten gains. Its still possible that civil courts might find in favor of the plaintiffs absent a criminal record. But this might make i much more difficult.

That's the gist of what this lawyer was saying. My thoughts were: If the beneficiaries of Ken's estate were presented with this scenario, stalling the criminal proceedings at just this point would be to their advantage. I wonder how extensive the autopsy was.

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I don't see a jury of working people finding for the estate,

--unless the jury that hears the tort is 50%+1 billionaires.

To quote George Tenet, "Slam dunk". (Let's see if my accuracy beats his.)

Not necessarily. The money paid as an Enron exec wasn't ill- gotten. It's going to be a hard case to win.

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  Keith

Please visit

an informative website devoted to tracking the movements of the "late" Kenneth L. Lay, convicted felon and former CEO of Enron Corporation.

You may send all of your reports to snipped-for-privacy@kenlayisalive.org

Americans for Equal Justice is providing this site as a public service for all of those who demand that Ken Lay and other white-collar criminals be brought to justice. We welcome and will publish any and all relevant information on the whereabouts of Kenneth L. Lay. Americans for Equal Justice strongly suggests that you not only report your findings to us, but most importantly, to your local news outlets. Please send any links to news outlets reporting your sightings to our organization as well.

You may send all of your reports to snipped-for-privacy@kenlayisalive.org

We here at Americans for Equal Justice feel strongly that the possibility exists that Mr. Lay, like Hitler, Elvis, and Tupac before him, has faked his own death in order to avoid any more unwanted public scrutiny. If this is true, then it is our responsibility as good Americans to bring this criminal to justice by reporting his whereabouts to the proper authorities.

Thank you for your support,

Americans for Equal Justice

JeffM wrote:

[snip]

Bwahahahaha!

...Jim Thompson

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